Wednesday, October 26, 2005

some say junior is stupid. He's not stupid, maybe insane

Scowcroft is one of Poppy's mouthpieces. They are good friends.
He would never say this stuff without Poppy's approval.

~You got it Bu$h I is the same as his little boy. The guy is a weasel. Always has been. Then for some so called 'hero' like Snowcrotch to come riding in to save the day is just so much BS.

As for the 'success' of Gulf I, has anybody checked the Veterans Adm lately about those strange cancers that keep popping-up. And how about how Poppy set-up Hussein when the Emir of Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields and told Hussein to go ahead and do something about it, the USA would stay back.

And how about the phony information about how Hussein was getting ready to invade Saudi Arabia. That war was a slaughter of the Iraqi. There was never any doubt whatsoever, the crummy Russian arms were no match. The stealth bombers came in (blind to radar) and knocked out all the Iraqi air defenses, after that it was a turkey shoot. As for holding back, don't believe it.

Virtually every electric plant, water purification plant, sewer plant, telephone system, everything was destroyed. The only reason they didn't march to Baghdad then was because Poppy didn't want to bust-up the coalition. If he could have done it, he would have done just what junior did. Iraq was left prostrate and the coalition walked away, even putting sanctions so the country had no chance to rebuild. None.

In light of how he set-up Hussein for that invasion and the subsequent oil for food program that from what I hear has killed 2,000,000 Iraqi children due to starvation, Bu$h I has nothing, nothing to be proud of. He is just like junior.

And now he is gonna scold junior? This is so much BS, where are my hip boots?

~Some could disagree I say Junior is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing, that is destroy the USA. And he's doing a marvelous job of doing just that.

If we look at what is happening, with a war thats bleeding us dry, with the loss of economic stability, the selling of our assets to a foreign power, all this is going exactly to the IMF playbook.

Remember Poppy's speech about the NWO. Junior is following the overall strategy to a 'T'.

And some say junior is stupid. He's not stupid, maybe insane, but far from stupid. Underestimate him at our peril.

Even the dumbing down of any federal response ability is part of the plan.

This perpetual war will destroy our military, thats part of the plan too. To privatize the military and socialize its cost for the international corporate interests. It's part of killing democracy around the world and removing power from people.

After taking down the USA, then taking down the rest of the world by these globalist/corporatist operating within the IMF will be a walk in the park.

It's all part of bringing a NWO, and that comes from Poppy's own mouth. And juniors is playing his role to make that NWO happen, just like Poppy played his role. These guys are not incompetent.

~Good advice. I agree. Bush I stripped Iraq of all defenses,
then AWOL bombed, invaded and occupied. Maybe it's an oil fight. Who gets to "manage" the loot? Dunno. Of one thing you can be sure: the views of the sovereign people of the United States are not factored in. We're just pawns in their game (--as that greatest of seers Bob Dylan once sang).

~disinformation Scowcroft is Condi's mentor. She learned "diplomacy" at his knee.

Believe NOTHING from longtime Bush associates. Nothing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1868574

~~ Plans? We're already over the border into Syria. It began during Katrina with the US bombing the shit out of some villages on the border. Now Syrian soldiers are being killed, with not even a hint of Congressional approval (the excuse not yet cooked up by the deeply rooted "aspens"?).

~~Scowcroft and A World Transformed along with the Powell Doctrine

"Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible.

We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under the circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world.

Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different — and perhaps barren — outcome."

Bush, George H.W. and Brent Scowcroft. A World Transformed.
New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1998. ISBN 0-679-43248-5 (p. 489).

"Essentially, the Doctrine expresses that military action should be used only as a last resort and only if there is a clear risk to national security by the intended target; the force, when used, should be overwhelming and disproportionate to the force used by the enemy; there must be strong support for the campaign by the general public; and there must be a clear exit strategy from the conflict in which the military is engaged."

from PBS's
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/...

DU must continue to 'hoist them on their own petard' ! The occupation is ongoing and a quagmire; the Powell Doctrine was shit-canned by the neo-cons. Shameless stupidity on parade with Republicans leading the band.

~very nice
I don't see myself ever voting for one because I still disagree with them on too many issues, but I do respect Republicans who speak out against other Republicans instead of brainlessly and obediently toeing the party line--especially those who did it before it became popular. Wasn't Scowcroft one of the people from Bush I's administration who were criticizing the war before it even began?

Also, I liked the last paragraph:
A cartoon in the Washington Post Friday depicted the Bush White House being inundated by "The Perfect Storm" of Miers, Hurricane Katrina, Iraq, Rove, the budget deficit and the indictment this week of the Republican leader in the House of Representatives, Tom DeLay, on charges of money laundering campaign funds.

Only a few months ago, a news article would NEVER have included a description of an anti-Bush cartoon.

~~For the record, 58% of the American people opposed the Iraq war
...before the invasion. Across the board in all polls. Feb. '03.

That number dipped only once, in the few weeks of the invasion with U.S. troops at max risk, then went right back up to nearly 60%, where it stayed throughout the election.

Also, Bush's approval ratings, never high (except for a very brief period right after 9/11), were so low, leading up to the election, that Zogby said he could not win.

The opinions of the great majority of Americans are irrelevant to these people.

~~~I think Poppy is quietly pulling the Lil' Prince away by the sausage Via Scowcroft. I agree.

I've said repeatedly here that it will take Republicans to stop these other Republicans.

Just wait and see.

~~Old Bush vs. new (Bracing for attack from Brent Scowcroft)
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=2...

The Bush administration is bracing for a powerful new attack by Brent Scowcroft, the respected national security adviser to the first President George Bush.

A Republican and a former Air Force general, Scowcroft is a leading member of the bipartisan foreign policy establishment, and his critique of both of the style and the substance of the Bush White House, is slated to appear in Monday's editions of the New Yorker magazine.

The article also contains some critical comments on the handling of U.S. foreign policy by the current President Bush from his father, whose 1989-1993 presidency is hailed for deft management of the end of the Cold War, German unification, the first Gulf war and the collapse of the Soviet Union.



The attack also comes as President Bush's opinion poll approval ratings have sunk to around 37 percent, partly reflecting the ill-handled federal government response to Hurricane Katrina's devastation of the Gulf coast. But majorities of Americans are also telling pollsters the country "is on the wrong track" and saying the Iraq war was a mistake.

~disagree with your assessment
I think, at this stage of the game, that going after someone like Scowcroft will absolutely reek of desperation. The bush administration is in deep sh*t now for their dangerous game of vengeance against Wilson. They have far overplayed their hand. The masks have come off. They are exposed. Scowcroft has probably been waiting for this moment for a long, long time.

Of course, with Wilson, there are many more layers than merely vengeance, but in time people will know about those, too.

~Scowcraft will bring a different level of stature and insight to the critique, it will be devastating. He may be the strongest foriegn policy strategist in country, and because of his prior relationship with the father and first Iraq war. It will be like an adult finally saying something to f*ck up kids who are in over their head.

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Why Wilkerson revelations not news? Oct 21, 2005 6:15 AM

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