Katrina - FEMA Camps

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Bush RESIGN!

2006-02-05T00:07:00.000-08:00

One Nation Under Survellance

Glenn Greenwald is talking to Dem members of the Judiciary in hopes that they will do better with NSA Hearings that the Alito Debacle

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http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/02/hearings-update.html#links

The 4th Amendment is the embodiment of that concept and to allow the President of the Untited
States to violate that Amendment, unchecked, is to grant to him powers that were denied to even
the King of England.

The 4th Amendment is America's "No Trespassing" sign, and it takes a warrant for even the
President to trespass against American citizens. Unless we concede to be less than serfs under a
monarch.

here is an article which links to a declassified document in pdf that seems to say that the
NSA warrantless spying started prior to 9/11. YOu may already have this but it would seem to kill
Bush's arguments that "9/11 is a different kind of war" that requires he ignore FISA. It also would
seem to call into question his claim that the Sept. authorization for use of force gave him implicit
authourity to conduct this surveillance.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011306Z.shtml

Here is something interesting: Cheney and Rumsfeld sought expanded wiretaps earlier than
9/11 -- during the Ford Administration!

http://edwardcopeland.blogspot.com/2006/02/darth-cheney-rummy-sought-wiretaps.html

Juan Cole has excellent articles on NSA Spy Scandal

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you need to read this post from Juan Cole going back to August 2004, will put some of the pieces in place for you:

http://www.juancole.com/2004/08/...se- expands.html

I have been hoping like hell that Fitz trips on the AIPAC stuff as he goes about his work; figured he has a good chance of it if he was looking into the Niger documents themselves.

Juan Cole's latest which is a very good King George rant .... but what struck me is Cole's comment further down the page, linked to a rather bland UPI article:

There is some sort of deep dark conspiracy involved in the stationing of 120 Bulgarian troops at the Ashraf base in Iraq to guard 4000 members of the Iranian dissident terrorist cult, the Mojahedin-e Khalq [MEK]. The group was used by Saddam to blow things up in Iran, and has been defended by Neocons in the US such as Daniel Pipes and Patrick Clawson. The Iraqi Shiites want it out of Iraq, but instead the Pentagon has kept it in place. A lot of the phony intelligence about alleged Iranian nuclear weapons programs is manufactured by the MEK, which has bought a number of powerful US senators and congressmen.

Anyone know more about this - our favorite Gorilla perhaps?

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Impeach now sign Congressman Conyers' letter/petition to begin Impeachment Inquiry NOW!!

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Visit some of the more than 100,000 sites worldwide where the bush regime's 911-Northwoods-New Pearl Harbor hoax is revealed.

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God Bless Us ONE AND ALL!!

FEMA Left Poor to Die

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http://www.epluribusmedia.org/features/20060109FEMA.html

FEMA's Decisions Have a Nameby

Barbara Morrill (BarbinMD)10 January 2006
Last month, an ePluribus Media investigation revealed the crippling effects on FEMA's ability to prepare for and respond to a disaster in the wake of the Department of Homeland Security's Second Stage Review (2SR). As the second attempt to restructure the department since 2001, 2SR was based on the recommendations in a study by The Heritage Foundation and the Center of Strategic and International Studies.

Yet, in the aftermath of the terrible loss of life, property, and a way of life for untold thousands, one must ask if the real disaster of Hurricane Katrina didn't strike months before, a thousand miles away, when Secretary Michael Chertoff announced the decision to implement 2SR. This story is an attempt to put a human face on people affected by this decision, and while doing so, remembering that the 2006 hurricane season begins in just five months. Will FEMA's mission be accomplished this year?

As it has for more than 20 years, FEMA’s mission remains...

~~Wow, When uncovered that Heritage Foundation report, and how it focused on infrastructures that really didn't affect people, I had a general idea of how Chertoff's 2SR was designed to hurt people.I'm almost speechless after reading your story. I mean, kfred put together a great sidebar with the December story with links to news stories related to the neglected infrastructures. But what you've done takes it a step further--maybe in a direction we really don't want to go, but we must go there. We've got to keep going back to the Bush administration's failure to answer to the people.
Thank you for writing the story.

~Great Fema's Ghost! Terrific work. Is there any aspect of our social deconstruction that right wing think tanks like Heritage and CSIS don't have a hand in?

~How much more heartache??? Thank you - you took us where we would not go even if dragged by our hair, but go we must.I just can't get my brain around the cold-hearted thoughtlessness, or the short-sightedness of the thinktanks. How souless must they be to think these thoughts, how cold are these supposed leaders of ours to implement these plans?

~FEMA and possible pandemic Your post here is a great reminder that we are, for all intents and purposes, completely on our own. As it seems very unlikely FEMA or any other gov agency will be of much help in future disasters. Let's take one possibility that may affect the whole country... Asian(bird) influenza pandemic.

So far there have been a couple of articles in our major daily paper on the need for a two-week home food and supply inventory, in the case of a quarantine. Local doctors and city official have had some talks, no definite conclusion, no plan, no recommendations for the public. County nurses have heard they will be responsible for much of the health care... How? They are currently understaffed and underbudgetted. Again, I ask how?

If the ramifications of a possible pandemic have been discussed here previously please let me know.
I'm normally at BoomanTribune, but I can see I will need to be spending some more time here. You've developed a great site in the interval since the Gannon/Guckert days. ~~

the corruption is simply beyond belief. The hyper-inflation we will all face form this profligate, deficit spending is astronomical. Already gold is soaring in anticipation of a plummeting dollar. new orleans will prove to the world that the dollar is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on humanity...It's only backed up by bush's ever-increasing debt.

~~~The devastation about to be unleashed on New Orleans will make Katrina seem like a summer breeze.

This could turn out to be the most disgusting, greedy, and heartless act thus far

~~~
Placing rove in charge of the rebuilding of New Orleans is just another attempt to foil the Fitzgerald Grand jury, when Fitzgerald returns indictments against Rove Bush will paint Rove as indispensable to the recovery of the Gulf and Fitzgerald’s indictment as a partisan attempt to interfere with recovery attempts. Having rove in charge of the recovery will give Bush “a legitimate reason” to pardon Rove thereby burying the investigation into Plame’s outing. Rove has NEVER been in charge of anything except partisan politics; to suddenly place him in charge of the largest public works program in the memory of the vast majority of Americans alive today has to be more than an attempt to shovel billions to Halliburton and cronies (Any Bush hack could do that with the blessing of Congress). Rove must be seen as indispensable to the well being of the nation, as usual the republicans place partisan politics above EVERYTHING, EVEN THE DEATHS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS (SEE 9/11/2001)

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=22797&mode=thread&order=1&thold=0
Such as the sometimes ghoulish Congressional attempts to transform the entire Gulf Coast into a giant laboratory for the social Darwinist agenda radical Republicans have mostly failed to inflict on the nation at large.

Well, they certainly better re-think and have a care here, because they are toying with setting off a socio-economic time bomb that could wreak havoc and make Katrina's natural devastation look like a party aftermath.

In today's Denver Post, p. 6A, a disturbing story, 'Charley Evacuees Hold Lessons for Katrina's Victims' shows how those hurricane victims from Charlotte County, FL serve as a cautionary tale.

As the article notes, the free shelters- in the form of FEMA-supplied trailers- were initially welcomed by thankful survivors. But almost a year later, most are still there - waiting and hiping for housing. They are becoming "increasingly frustrated, depressed and desperate".

A major reason is that while they've been in those trailers, no home reconstruction has occurred - there's been no will for capital re-investment on low cost homes - and meanwhile the housing market has exploded. Houses are now 50-60% higher and rents are unaffordable. (now $900-1000 a month). (As apts. were restored, landlords found that they could substantially increase their rents in a very tight market, and they plan to keep them there).

According to Bob Hebert, director of recovery for Charlotte Ctt, cited in the article: "FEMA city is now a socio-economic time bomb just waiting to blow up".

He adds that - you have all these different people- already under tremendous stress (they must vacate their free FEMA trailers in Feb.) and "bad things will happen". Especially as, according to him, "they have no where else to go".

Toss in the hundreds of thousands of displaced folk, families from Katrina and you have the making of an even bigger social catastrophe. Toss in a host of Social Darwinist "weeding" methods, and you have the "match" that may set the whole national tinderbox on fire.

Hebert advises those setting up trailer camps for the N.O. and other Gulf residents, ""not to have big camps with thousands of people, because it doesn't work". As he points out, in his area crime and vandalism at the site have exploded.

Of course, the social Darwinists may not care in the end. If they can get all the poor people (estimated now at some 37 million) to kill each other as they shout 'Cry havoc, unleash the dogs of civil war!' it will mean they can move to the next round of their pre-Peak Oil survival of the fittest strategy: eliminating the middle class - or better- getting them to eliminate themselves.

~It's true. I live in Lee County, one over from Charlotte County. "Regular Folks" are getting priced out of this area... my daughter and her husband are having a terrible time saving for a home purchase. The divide is frightening...

Please read this article - a response to an overheard conversation in a restaurant recently about Katrina, God's blessings, and the social divide.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/149/149_think_wise_new_orleans.html

~~~~~
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/brash-katrina-investigation.html

~SPECIAL REPORT: Unacceptable': The federal response to Katrina

NSA Illegal Spying to Blackmail for Congressional Votes - Dems Failing to Stand Up for Americans

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The Reid "organized crime statement" is interesting.
He used a really attention-getting comparison but really didn't justify it in the speech.Is there stuff he could have included in the speech but left out that justifies the comparison?Maybe he was counting on audience members in Congress to fill in the blanks with anecdotes from their own lives.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/13/103350/780

Get Down, Get Dirty OK, just some surmise here:

These are just random things, a rant of sorts, and no, I don't have Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt that would stand up in a court of law.

OK, BushCo spies bigtime on Merkans from Day One.

If that's true, then gee, it could not have been a response to 9-11, since that happened months AFTERWARD.

I recall reading somewhere on the almighty internet that DARPA and other dark-forces elements of the military-industrial complex were helping promote Diebold-style computerized voting overseas, referring to the systems as "election solutions."

In--deed.

Also, get ye back to the Franklin Credit Union coverup, and the stories about how a lot of high-level pols of BOTH parties are routinely blackmailed by being photographed f'ing children, or at best persons not their lawfully weddeds, at Washington sex parties.

Now I'm beginning to hear voices bouncing off my Reynoldswrap-chapeau. What if the Pugs were pissed off at having been out of office due to Ross Perot, and had in mind from before Scalia hadda bail 'em out that it was time to make national elections a complete farce, complete sideshow, with assured "election solution" outcomes (PUGS WIN!) while maintaining the hoopla, the illusion we schmucks have of choosing our overlords, and (bien sur messieurs-dames) continuing to serve as the occasion for soliciting bribes.

And, maybe so many of our valiant Democratic leaders fold up when the rubber hits the fascist road, 'cause they know that NSA and Bush have those photos from the men's room at the Vince Lombardi Rest Area on the New Jersey Turnpike, what when the Boy Scouts were there and all.
Couldn't our Elected Representatives maybe just be satisfied with a discreet mistress like in the old days? Do they have to f*** little boys 'n' girls, especially when they know, or ought to know, that the camera's a-rollin'?

Google "Craig Spence" and "Lawrence King" and "Oma" and child sex abuse." Also, supposedly a lot of Merkan runaways end up as sex slaves to Saudi royals, and the State Department lets 'em take US kids out of the country.

I think we're getting into the end-game of a decades-long plan. It involves blackmail, drugs, treason, shredding the Constitution in favor of the Fuehrerprinzip; slaughtering a few thousand "nobodies" to get the blank check for fascism of wars and aggression, and wagering that, as long as they get to punch an impressive-looking machine on "election day," only a tiny percentage of Merkans will get much exercised if the computer changes 6% of all of the "Kerry" votes to "Bush" votes or "Cleland" votes to "Chambliss" votes etc.

The best hope is that some patriots inside the beast start speaking out, because hardly any Merkans are willing to fight to preserve their freedom.

Y'all keep connecting dots, now, hear?

NSA and Domestic Espionag PsyOps Against US Citizens

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22 December 2005The NSA and Domestic Espionage (Part Two)

Grab'em by the balls, and their hearts and minds will follow.
-Vietnam era slogan

The Bush NSA FISA "leak"story is a modified limited hangout (if it can be called that) dirty trick to intentionally expose (as opposed to cover up) a domestic psychological warfare operation against the citizens of the United States in a time of "war."

It is a surveillance and Fourth Amendment information warfare version of the Abu Gharib scandal.

George W. Bush has intentionally discredited himself again with another so called "leak" in order to scare the American people into further complicity in and passive acceptance of the so called "war on terror" and the war in Iraq. This "scandal" further perpetuates the image of the Bush Administration as lawless, dangerous, reckless and even bumbling rogue mercenaries capable of anything. This is a "three-headed hydra" psychological operation, with the Pentagon and FBI at the end of the other two "heads."

The Democrats and the American people are falling for it again-- hook, line and sinker.
Is there no end to the myopia ?

Senator Chuch Hagel (R-NE) via Daily Kos. An appropriately myopic reply from Senator Hagel:
"Every president, that we know of, has complied with the law (FISA)," Hagel said. "No president is above the law. We are a nation of laws and no president, majority leader, or chief justice of the Supreme Court can unilaterally or arbitrarily avoid a law or dismiss a law. If the vice president holds a different point of view, then he holds a different point of view."

Based on the facts that are out there concerning whether domestic spying abuses were taking place, Hagel said, there was a "breakdown."

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=Is it possible Bush is lying about a lie ? The lie in this case being an at least three decades old charade about a FISA court order being required to surveil on the American people?

The back channel British liaison officer loophole is still in effect, despite the FISA provisions.
More from John Loftus:

FISA is restricted only to targeting by American agencies, leaving the British liaison officer with a major loophole. The restrictive language added to FISA left unchanged the arrangement under which the British wiretapped American suspects and then passed on the information to the NSA.

http://ce399.typepad.com/weblog/2005/12/the_nsa_and_dom_1.htm

Republican Sex Scandals

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Republican Sex Scandals
From dKosopedia, the free political encyclopedia.

(Full list of scandals at Moral Values )
Adelphia Communications Corp.: Donated large sums of money to some of the most conservative members of Congress. They are also the first cable company to offer hard-core adult movies to subscribers. Daily Kos article <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/8/12123/29391>;

Edison Misla Aldarondo , Republican legislator, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9. Full Article <http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2002/vol6n33/MislaRape-en.shtml>;

Randal David Ankeney , Republican activist, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. Source <http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/910489/detail.html>; Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. Denver ABC Article

<http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/1130885/detail.html>;
Dick Armey (R-Texas), former professor, has been accused by The Dallas Observer of sexually harassing female students.

Jim Bakker , televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson's Christian Broadcasting network . Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn [1] <http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/televangelists/jim-bakker/>; and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money[2] <http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,956551,00.html>. Fellow televangelists say he's gay. [3] <[4">http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,956551,00.html>[4] <;Indicted">http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/televangelists/jim-bakker/>;Indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering [5] <http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/Communications_office/Justice_Pfeifer/2000/jp041200.htm>;.
Bob Barr , Republican Congressman from Georgia. Sponsored the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act , saying "The flames of hedonism, the flames of narcissism, the flames of self-centered morality are licking at the very foundation of our society, the family unit." Was married three times. Paid for his second wife's abortion. Failed to pay child support to the children of his first two wives and while married to his third and present wife was photographed licking whipped cream off of strippers at his inaugural party.

Merrill Robert Barter , Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. Booth Bay Register Article <http://boothbayregister.maine.com/1998-11-12/barter_indicted.html>;
Robert Bauman , Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Source: Washington Blade <http://www.glinn.com/news/h122989a.htm>;
Parker J. Bena , Republican activist and Bush Elector, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. Source <http://blogs.salon.com/0002551/2003/12/08.html>;
Louis Beres , chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. Editor and Publisher article <http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001263321>;

Howard L. Brooks , Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. Sacramento Bee article <http://www.sacbee.com/static/live/news/calreport/N2001-11-22-2300-0.html>;
John Bolton Bush's appointee ambassador to United Nations , corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton’s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department. Raw Story Article <http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/larry_flynt_bolton_511>;

Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General, prosecuted the famous Bowers vs. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair Slate article <http://slate.msn.com/id/1063/>;
Pat Buchanan predidential candidate, media talking-head. His campaign refused to confirm or deny whether Pat has had chlamydia or any other venereal diseases.
Andrew Buhr , Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. Source <http://www.thevitalvoice.com/2002/2002_1227/rathmann.html>;
Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party. Infamous serial rapist who murdered 16 women. Source: BBC <http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/caseclosed/tedbundy1.shtml>;
Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition , Bunn won his congressional seat, then immediately ditched his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll for the unheard-of salary of $97,500. Salon.com article <http://blogs.salon.com/0002551/2003/12/08.html>;

John Allen Burt , Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran. Source: Pensacola News Journal <http://www.feminist.org/news/newsbyte/uswirestory.asp?id=7849>;
Dan Burton , Republican Congressman who, while married, fathered a child by another woman. Salon.com Article <http://www.salon.com/news/1998/09/11newsb.html>;
George W. Bush , Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who was later suicided. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999.

John Butler , Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Ken Calvert , Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian Coalition and its "family values." Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.
Charles Canady , Congressman (R-Florida), Judiciary Committee member. Lied to his constituents about his adulterous affair with Sharon Becker, which caused her divorce.

Helen Chenoweth , Congresswoman (R-Id.). Admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate. In 1995, Chenoweth had denied the affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review, but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed.
Keola Childs , Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.Honolulu Star-Bulletin Article <http://starbulletin.com/2000/07/20/news/briefs.html>;
Kevin Coan , Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet. Source: Newmax

<http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/5/161648.shtml>;
Roy Cohn , continually condemned gays and gay rights. Was a closet gay who died of AIDS. Wikipedia Article <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn>;
Dan Crane , Republican Congressman, married, father of six. Received a 100% "Morality Rating" from Christian Voice . Had sex with a minor working as a congressional page. Salon.com article <http://archive.salon.com/col/cona/1998/10/05cona.html>; On July 20, the House voted for censure Crane, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct.[6] <http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Dan_Crane>;
Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair. Christianity Today article <http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/137/11.0.html>;
Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a sentence of 126 years in prison. Investigators estimated that he spent up to $5,000,000 on prostitutes <http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A1426-2004Aug14?language=printer>;.
Missoulian Article on the trial <http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2005/05/13/news/top/news01.txt>; Missoulian Article on his conviction <http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2005/07/14/news/mtregional/news07.txt>;
Richard A. Delgaudio , Republican fundraiser and Bush pioneer, was found guilty of child porn charges. WBAL Channel article <http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/2153721/detail.html>;
Peter Dibble , Republican legislator pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. News Channel 8 Article <http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=1913548>;
Nicholas Elizondo , Director of the Young Republican Federation molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. Halfway down this Bakersfield Californian article <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/Nicholas_Elizondo.htm>;
Larry Dale Floyd , Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas Precinct Two. Arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age 62 at time of arrest. Dallas News Article <http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/denton/stories/073005dnmetconstable.207cbbab.html>; Atrios Article <http://atrios.blogspot.com/2005_07_24_atrios_archive.html>;
John Fund , of the Wall Street Journal , a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child. American Politics Journal Article <http://www.americanpolitics.com/sc20010904connolly.html>;
Jeff Gannon Partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute. Truthout Article <http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/2/10/83242/3251>;. See also dKospedia's page on Jeff Gannon .
Jack W. Gardner , Republican Councilman, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot. Article with documents <http://5thestate.com/030628.htm>;
Richard Gardner , a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to molesting his two daughters. Review Journal Article <http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/Nov-11-Mon-2002/news/20019575.html>;

Newt Gingrich , married three times. Gingrich campaign worker Anne Manning admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still married to his first wife. Informed one wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments. Salon article <http://archive.salon.com/news/1998/08/28news.html>;
Philip Giordano , Republican mayor sentenced to 37 years for forcing two 8 and 10 year old girls to perform oral sex on him in his City Hall office. NBC Article <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/Giordano.htm>; Newsday Article <http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nyc-gio0614,0,1932155.story?coll=nyc-topnews-short-navigation>
Rudy Giuliani , had an adulterous affair. Pocketed $80,000 for speaking at a charity benefit for tsunami aid which raised only $60,000 for the victims themselves (Feb 2005).

Matthew Glavin , president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation , big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indeceny, one time fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him. Full Article <http://www.gvny.com/columns/nichols/nichols10-13-00.html>;
Marty Glickman , Republican activist, was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Mark A. Grethen , Republican activist, convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. Orlando Weekly article <http://www.orlandoweekly.com/weird/index.asp?now=3400>;
Jon Grunseth , Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter, and tried to grope one. "I've made some mistakes" he said. USA Today article <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/grunseth.htm>;
Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family 's Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep. Article <http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050530&;c=2&s=mcgarvey>
Mark Harris , Republican city councilman who is described as a "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

John Hathaway , Republican Senate candidate, was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. Source: Casco Bay weekly <http://www.cascobayweekly.com/cbw/news/al01.31.02.stm>;
Howard Scott Heldreth , anti-abortion activist who gained fame during the Shiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping a child in 2002. page at Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Sexual Offender/Predator Unit <http://www3.fdle.state.fl.us/sexual_predators/OffenderFlyer.asp?keys=38964>;
Mike Hintz , a First Assembly of God youth pastor, introduced by Bush on the campaign trail
<http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/10/20041004-7.html>;, and promoted his policies. Says he supports Bush's values. Two months later, this married father of four turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a child. Article <http://www.kcci.com/news/3976822/detail.html>; Commentary <http://www.patridiots.com/001237.html>;
Also signed an ad <http://www.omaha-neb.com/hintz.htm>; (that called for criminally prosecuting business that sell porn), along with another pastor who was repeatedly busted for public masturbation <http://www.omaha-neb.com/hypocrisy.htm>;.
Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. Admitted on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, that he's had sex with mules. Put photographs on his Web site of naked men engaging in homosexual acts and a nude woman engaging in bestiality amid shots of grotesquely maimed fetuses. Drug dealer convicted of possession of hashish with intent to sell. He calls for "the establishment of a new government, one that can obey God's plan for government."
Tim Hutchinson , divorced his wife of 29 years to marry a congressional aide he was having an affair with.
Henry Hyde , Judge who oversaw Clinton's impeachment proceedings, prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the course of which she and her husband were divorced. Salon.com article <http://www.salon.com/news/1998/09/cov_16newsb.html>;

Don Haidl , Assistant Sheriff of Orange Country, in violation of California's rape shield law, led a smear campaign against the child his son poisoned and then violently gang-raped on videotape, adding up to 24 felony counts. He said that his son "acted accordingly" because the child was a "slut". The full gruesome story, with many newspaper articles. <http://www.geocities.com/arthursank/sexualmorality2.html>;
Paul Ingram , Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. Source: The Olympian <http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc44406/smwane/Ingram5.htm>;
Bernard Kerik , had two simultaneous adulterous affairs.
Earl Kimmerling , sentenced to 40 years in prison after he confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. Source <http://www.commonplacebook.com/features/adoption.shtm>;
Lawrence E. King , Jr., Republican Activist, organized orgies with child prostitutes at the White House during the 1980s. Full page including Washington Times article <http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews2/boystown/>; Discovery Channel documentary <http://www.supercompuglobalhypermeganet.com/franklincreditunion.avi>;
I. Lewis Libby , former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizaree sexual content, including beastiality and pedophillia. Full Details <http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/I._Lewis_Libby>;
Rush Limbaugh , triple-divorcee[7] <http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/politics/8902292.htm>;, 30-pill a day drug addict. Goodies from The Smoking Gun.com <http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters1.html>;
Bob Livingston , former Congressman (R-La.) resigned from the House in the wake of revelations about his past adultery.
Donald Lukens , Republican Congressman, was found guilty of having sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she was 13. Time Article <http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/from_redirect/0,10987,1101890213-151183,00.html>
Pat McPherson , Douglas County Election Commissioner. Arrested for fondling a 17-year-old girl. Article <http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&;u_pg=36>
Jon Matthews , Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17. Source: ABC News <http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/102403_local_radiohost.html>;
Jeff Miller , (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee’s Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that "Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee." [8] <http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=9&;screen=news&news_id=40741> [9] <http://www.wsmv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3211261&;nav=1TcRYfpp&Call=Email&Format=Text>
Nicholas Morency , Republican anti-abortion activist, pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor The Dallas Morning News article <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/morency2.htm>;.
Sue Myrick , Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout Christian." Committed adultery with a married man.
Bill O'Reilly Right-wing conservative talk show host on Fox News, sued for sexual harrassment by his producer.
Bob Packwood , Senator (R-Ore.), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment.
Jeffrey Patti , Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. Daily Record News Article <http://www.dailyrecord.com/news/articles/news2-GNJarrests.htm>;
John Paulk , lied about prowling for gay sex while running a fundamentalist group to cure gays.
Brent Parker Utah State Representetive. Arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute. KSL News Article <http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=11734&;nid=5> Deseret News Article <http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,465030300,00.html>
John Peterson , Congressman (R-Pa), accused of sexual harassment and creation of a hostile work environment by six women. Peterson has refused to admit a crime, saying only "I may have been an excessive hugger."
Harvey Pitt , SEC Chief under George W. Bush until he was forced to resign in 2002. Worked for New Frontier Media, a firm which distributed teen sex videos.
Mark Pazuhanich , Republican judge, pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. Pocono Record article <http://www.epcommunitynews.com/archives/2004/bac89187.htm>;
George Roche III , carried on a 19 year affair with his son's wife, while serving as president of Hillsdale College, which "emphasizes the importance of the common moral truths that bind all Americans, while recognizing the importance of religion for the maintenance of a free society."
Beverly Russell , County Chairman of the Christian Coalition, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children. Herald-Journal Article <http://www.teleplex.net/shj/smith/trial/smithsss.html>; Commentary on Newsweek Article <http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/102403_local_radiohost.html>;
Joe Scarborough , former Republican Congressman, currently a conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office. The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in Missouri for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in florida for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."
Ed Schrock , two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.
Dr. Laura Schlessinger , right wing conservative radio host. Promotes family values, estranged from her mother, opposes birth control, has had her tubes tied, espouses saving oneself for marriage, admits to having had sex before she was married, opposes adultery, has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man, opposes divorce, is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude photos which are available online.
Arnold Schwarzenegger , Republican governor, had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28.
John Scmitz , right-wing republican congressman, who had had his committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays. Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied so tightly around his penis that it was almost severed. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children. Wikipedia article <http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/John_G._Schmitz>;

Larry Jack Schwarz , Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, fired after child pornography was found in his possession. Rocky Mountain News article <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/schwarz.htm>; With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz). Wikipedia article <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_Denyle>;
Jim Stelling , Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in "family values", as he told a judge. Filed a defamation lawsuit againt Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married 5 times. Article <http://www.sptimes.com/2005/05/12/State/Six_marriages_A_smear.shtml>;
Don Sherwood , Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Eventually admitted to an affar with a woman 30 years younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and attempting to choke her. Post-Gazette article <http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05211/546213.stm>;
Tom Shortridge . Republican campaign consultant, was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. LA Times article <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/Tom_Shortridge3.htm>;
Fred C. Smeltzer , Jr., Republican City Councilman, pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. Sex Offender Registry page <http://www.state.de.us/cgi-bin/sexoff.cgi/apps/so/sor_d.htm?opt=00003027>; Article <http://www.thewgalchannel.com/news/4176008/detail.html>;
Craig J. Spence , Republican lobbyist, organized orgies with child prostitutes in the White House during the 1980s. Full page including Washington Times article <http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews2/boystown/>; Discovery Channel documentary <http://www.supercompuglobalhypermeganet.com/franklincreditunion.avi>;
Jimmy Swaggart , televangelist, said during a sermon "I'm trying to find the correct name for it … this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. … I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Had an affair with a prostitute.
David Swartz , Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. Rocky Mountain News Article <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/schwarz.htm>;
Randall Terry , Right to Life activist, founder of Operation Rescue, involved in the Terri Schiavo protests. Once imprisoned for sending former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus. His son Jamiel is gay; his daughter Tila had sex outside of marriage, became pregnant, had a miscarriage - she is no longer welcome in his home; his daughter Ebony had 2 children outside of wedlock and became Muslim. He has campaigned against infidelity and birth control, gays and unwed mothers. Terry himself was censured by his church after committing adultery.
Bill Thomas Republican congressman, had an affair with Deborah Steelman, a health care lobbyist who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest.
Strom Thurmond , republican senator and racist, raped and impregnanted a 15-year old African American maid. (BBC Article <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3321483.stm>;)
Robin Vanderwall , Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate, director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), former student of Pat Robertson 's Regent Universtity , member of Ralph Reed 's inner circle who funneled money to from lobbiest Jack Abromoff to Reed [10] <http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/3398326>;, convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. Virginian-Pilot Article <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/Vanderwall.htm>;
J.C. Watts , Representative (R-Oklahoma), loud champion of "moral values." Has out-of-wedlock children.
Jim Wesr , Spokane Mayor. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that "any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person" among teens be criminalized. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old boy.Source: Spokesman review <http://www.spokesmanreview.com/jimwest/story.asp?ID=050505_west_politics>;
Keith Westmoreland , a Tennessee state representative (R), was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). Tennesean Article <http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/02/06/18903959.shtml?Element_ID=189>;
Stephen White , Republican preacher. Was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. Daily Pennsylvanian article <http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/10/21/3f94f7154d864>; Daily yale News Article <http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=23709>;

Republican Hypocrits and Child Abuse

2006-01-17T07:42:00.000-08:00

Republican activist Parker J. Bena <http://blogs.salon.com/0002551/2003/12/08.html>; pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/schwarz.htm>;, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/Vanderwall.htm>; was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex <http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/03/96.html>; from boys and girls over the internet.

Fact: By comparing the contents of computers, anyone can see that most republicans are obsessed with pedophillia, rape, torture, and an endless variety of illegal, unconcentual and frightening sexuality. Liberals on the other hand, have legal, mainstream porn.

You don’t need to take my word on it - INVESTIGATE FOR YOURSELF!
1. Go to <http://www.k-lite.tk/>; and download "Kazaa Lite". There are other file-sharing programs like this, but I’ve never used them so I can’t give instructions for them.
2. This is very important: don’t download anything, because odds are, it’s probably stolen. If you do decide to download something, get as many anti-virus programs as you can. Your computer is about to engage in some wild orgies so put as many rubbers on him that he gets it on like the Michilin Tire Man. There are free demos you can get, which are 100% legal. For example, I did a search for "Avg anti-virus" and got a good demo.

3. Start by searching for something conservative. I searched for "Rush Limbaugh" and "Gods and Generals".
4. Now that you’ve found something conservative, right-click on the file and select "Search for more from same…" and drag to "User". Now you can see what files that user has on his computer. This is not hacking, this is a 100% legal way to spy on people, and, dare I saw, even read their minds.
5. You might want to confirm that you’re dealing with a republican. Some clues are lots of country music, "Southern Rock" (normal rock isn’t white enough for them), professional wrestling, tractor pull clips, etc, they’ve all got them. There’s another type of file they all have, which I’m getting too.
6. Notice the column headers. Click "Size" and you can set either the biggest or smallest files at the top of the list. Video files are the biggest, other than software. Also, click "category" and the list will segregate, scroll up and down until you find "erotica".

7. Just by reading the titles and descriptions you can get an idea of what they like. By holding your pointer over a file, a description will pop up after a while. If the description is unclear or uses words that you don’t understand, DON’T download them. Some code-words, by the way "nudist" usually means they went to a nude beach and pointed a hidden camera at kids, "golden shower" has nothing to do with trickle down economics (no wait - it has EVERYTHING to do with Bush economics, never mind), "child love" has nothing whatsoever to do with love, "up skirt" ain’t Monroe dancing in an updraft, it’s usually non-consensual. "Bitch" is, of course, the same thing Rush Limbaugh called a 13 year-old Chelsea Clinton.

8. Once your keyboard is obscured due to buildup of vomit, it’s time to do the scientific thing and see what liberals have on their computers. (Get a cup of coffee now, this part is boring). You’ll notice liberals have a fetish for consensual, of age porn, if they need porn at all, and out of the corner of my eye I may or may not have witnessed soft-core.

9. Repeat this experiment until satisfied. Note: users with only a few files, or only audio files (who think they’re using napster) don’t count towards the final score, of course.

So far I’ve done 3 experiments, while chatting on IRC. Each link brings up the chat log, with chatter on other topics removed.

Experiment #1: <http://www.geocities.com/arthursank/experiment1.html>;Score:
Republicans:
1 pedophile into beastiality, torture and mutilation1 pedophile into incest1 pedophile into rape, bondage1 into "girlscouts fisting" ?1 into incest and "fat Mexican bitch"1 into hymens and tenticles1 lots of porn, nothing but anal1 "cat fight" ?1 beatings and toilets Democrats:1 no porn
2 legal pornUnknown: 1 no porn

Republican Hypocricy and Child Abuse

2006-01-17T07:39:00.000-08:00

Fact: There’s an entire newsgroup just for right-wing Christian pedophiles.

Police say a Pierce County foster dad charged with molesting and photographing young boys in his care posted messages in an Internet newsgroup catering to Christian pedophiles….describing himself as a "boylover that has devoted my life to boys and introducing the love of Christ to them."

<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001892001_foster31m.html>; [And then this typical hypocrite says] "homosexual desire is unnatural".
Outrageous: A republican politician’s smear campaign against the child his son viciously raped <http://www.geocities.com/arthursank/sexualmorality2.html>;
Fact: 27 MORE examples of big-shot republican perverts, from mainstream newspapers:
Serial killer/rapist Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party <http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/caseclosed/tedbundy1.shtml>;
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3321483.stm>; had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. <http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm>; organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence <http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm>; organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano <http://www.armchairsubversive.com/Giordano.htm>; is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens <http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/from_redirect/0,10987,1101890213-151183,00.html> was found guilty of having sex with a minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio <http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/2153721/detail.html>; was found guilty of child porn charges.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen <http://www.orlandoweekly.com/weird/index.asp?now=3400>; convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney <http://blogs.salon.com/0002551/2003/12/08.html>; pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane <http://archive.salon.com/col/cona/1998/10/05cona.html>; had sex with a minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell
<http://wlo.org/nw/nww5.html>; admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter <http://www.teleplex.net/shj/smith/trial/smithsss.html>;.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman <http://www.glinn.com/news/h122989a.htm>; was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican activist Marty Glickman <http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/01/top10_2001_15.html>; (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks <http://www.sacbee.com/static/live/news/calreport/N2001-11-22-2300-0.html>;, an advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway <http://www.cascobayweekly.com/cbw/news/al01.31.02.stm>; was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White <http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/10/21/3f94f7154d864>; was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews <;of">http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/102403_local_radiohost.html>;of Houston was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling <http://www.commonplacebook.com/features/adoption.shtm>; confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram <http://users.cybercity.dk/%7Eccc44406/smwane/Ingram5.htm>; of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican St. Louis Election Board official Kevin Coan <http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/5/161648.shtml>; was arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr <http://www.thevitalvoice.com/2002/2002_1227/rathmann.html>;, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland <http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/02/06/18903959.shtml?Element_ID=189>;, a Tennessee state representative, was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt <http://www.feminist.org/news/newsbyte/uswirestory.asp?id=7849>; was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15 year old girl.
Republican legislator, Richard Gardner <http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/Nov-11-Mon-2002/news/20019575.html>;, a Nevada state representative, admitted to molesting his two daughters.

2006-01-02T00:24:00.000-08:00

Please sign Rep. Conyers Inquiry to Impeach Letter. URL address in below post.

Congressman requests we sign his Impeachment Inquiry letter IMPORTANT

2006-01-02T00:20:00.000-08:00

Please sign Rep. Conyers' Impeachment bill letter/petition.

Shameful that he still only has about 26,000 signatures when the Downing Street Memo Petition garnered 500,000 signatures. Where is everyone who has been demanding impeachment when it comes time to sign a letter/petition by a Congressperson who has stuck his neck way out to legally begin the Impeachment Inquiry process.

Please sign and post info on other sites.

Thank you.

Most Important Impeachment Petition/Letter by Rep. Conyers EVER!!

Congressman Conyers has used the Impeach-Word several times in his proposed Impeachment Inquiry and has several other members of the House of Representatives as co-sponsors but needs more and has asked for our help in signing his letter to Bush and in writing to our Congresscritters to request they support him in investigating the Bush Regime's massive illegal activities harming the American people. Please add your signature here:

http://www.johnconyers.com/ - Conyer's Action Items
http://www.conyersblog.us

"Join me, below, in sending the:

Letter Advising the President of Censure
and
Steps to Begin Special Committee Investigation

Dear Mr. President:

We are brave, proud, patriotic citizens of the United States. We love our country and are writing to express our profound disappointment with you and your administration for your conduct surrounding the Iraq War, the collection and use of intelligence, and your disrespect for the laws of this great nation..."

http://www.rinf.com/news/aug-05/78.html

The Evil is So Great It Must Be The Tribulation Period as Jesus said - Hope of Resurrection and The City of God - No War, No More

2005-11-09T05:28:00.000-08:00

White Phosphorus atrocities at Falluja at the time of the 2004 Presidential "election" so that Kerry or any Dem or any Media reporting would look like a traitor if talked about the atrocities. This genocidal offensive was planned to coincide with the theft of the election.

I'd say this was a parting present from the Bu$h administration to the incoming Dem administration, in a way like Waco was to Clinton and Reno. Only problem for Bu$h is that the election fraud worked keeping him in the role of responsibility for this war crime.

Though it technically isn't napalm as it's not gasoline jelly, the W77 does use kerosene jelly and polystyrene so it's effects are just as dramatic as napalm. White Phosphorus isn't supposed to be used as a weapon either, it's legitimate legal use is to illuminate the battlefield. Using it against a civilian population is beyond the pale.
These people in the leadership positions have made our soldiers accomplices in war crimes.

As Americans, we also are responsible for what they have done in our name. This infuriates me. I never wanted to be part of this, but I am. Just when you think you cannot get any more angry. Bastards. will this ever break through to general consciousness? maybe in 20 years....
but I hope the power of the "internets" brings it out sooner.

Now I've got to run and vomit, before leaving for work.

(arg, I hate the feeling of knowing turdCo was evil right from the start but couldn't make it stop.... Yep, and Negroponte's fingerprints are all over that little deed n/tSo that's why they ambushed her car and killed that agent

Video online in Flash 8 format and downloadable as a wmv file. Video online in Flash 8 format and downloadable as a wmv file.
http://chris-floyd.com/fallujah /

I've thought about this, too. I'm glad you mentioned it. It seems logical that they were the ones, as they were the only ones who would actually NOT want her to expose what had happened in Fallujah. She said they told her she should not reveal what she had learned.

That wouldn't make sense from the insurgent position. Giuliana Sgrena is in the video Giuliana Sgrena (the italian reporter) is in the video and says plain and simple that she was researching about Falluja when she was kidnapped. Okay, finally had time to finish reading it does everyone here remember all the Brits and Americans that were dressed like insurgents that were caught?

Couldn't her kidnapping had been by these types of insurgents? Democratic Americans are the best force we have in the world. (hey... I don't mean the party!!! LOL)

Wasn't this what the Italian reporter was working on when she was fired on by American forces? (when she was taken hostage and freed)

Is white phosphorous considered a chemical weapon? I know, first hand, that we have been using it in combat for a long time. It was used in grenades during WWII, Korea and I saw it in Vietnam. If it is being used on civilians then that is totally wrong and criminal, but if it is used in combat against armed military forces I believe it is an accepted practice.

Willy Peter is a horrible weapon. It will burn right through a body and there is little that can be done to stop it. Unlike napalm, where the oxygen is sucked right out of the air immediately resulting in instant death before inceneration, white phosphorous literally eats the flesh away from its live victims.

War is barbaric. If this is the chemical similar to napalm, they were using it at the beginning of the war too, which is Completely against International Law. this is a global terrorism against humanity this administration and their criminals belong in the gas chamber ....

would this be tied to jenin by any chance?

High-res download. http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/default_021...

Is it genocide yet? Who is using WMD on who? wonder if this story will ever break here There have been pictures of this on the web, although one site that had them pretty much disappeared
(Fallujah in Pictures - whatever happened to that site?) So sick, and so sad Link to download the video (low res) This is the link to download the full 20 min. video at low resolution in english language:

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallu...

The proof are shocking. The images and footing far worst than Abu Ghraib.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5288550

Thanks for the RAI news link. I wonder if I can be brave enough to watch this horror? These are War crimes no room for excuses. The individuals that gave the orders to use these prohibited weapons are War Criminals. If they are not Prosecuted for their crimes they will go on to commit more and so will those that follow in their foot steps.

This is not the time to be silent it is the time to Stand Up and SHOUT NOT IN MY NAME Not with my tax dollars incinerating Women and children.NO!! Hope all DUers do this

Sending this Video to everyone I know & encouraging then to do the same. Then I'm sending it to the Producers of Frontline see what they think.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/contact/c4.html "How can I submit a story idea?
Story ideas can be sent to: Story Editor, FRONTLINE, 125 Western Ave., Boston, MA 02134.
FRONTLINE welcomes suggestions from our viewers and we review all letters and ideas. We produce approximately 18 new programs each season and evaluate over 600 program suggestions and proposals."

Also to the excellent Canadian News Show The Fifth Estate they would show this in Canada.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/contact.html

There was discussion here at the time it was happening or shortly thereafter. (Can't search for the thread now since we're at Level 1)

The stories and discussion were about a napalm type substance that was used during the 'taking' of
Fallujah. The media did not report anything about the claim at the time. They had clips from it on Democracy Now! this morning Don't plan on eating after you watch it.

Pentagon had a spokesman in Baghdad, who admited using White Phosphorous, but not on civilians. But the film clips show otherwise. Those Pictures are from "Freedom on The March - Exporting freedom and democracy to the Persian Gulf"

How can you possibly have the moral high ground when you're troops are doing this to people?
A couple of addresses, to grease the wheels.
news-tips@nytimes.com
http://www.cnn.com/...
KOlbermann@msnbc.com
http://msnbc.msn.com/... (Scroll to the 'email nightly news' box)

Think of it this way: A few dozen emails by Kossacks to each of these outlets might get ONE of them to cover it. If ONE of them covers it, it breaks and becomes a huge story in the US. Americans react in shame, sorrow, and outrage, and the growing pressure to come up with an exit strategy becomes a deluge.

Maybe we all can end this nightmare of a war tonight.

I feel like a broken record... but I'll say it again..thanks for this diary and:

PLEASE please people e-mail media outlets about this story. Go to CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS and
just hit "CONTACT NOW" on their homepages. It is the LEAST we can do... just write a couple lines asking these media outlets to LOOK INTO this story, at the very least.

If you can, do the same with your senators/congressmen/women....We CAN draw attention to this, we MUST TRY at least to do so. Do your part, your letters can make a difference.

here is the video link by the way to the story that will be broadcast by the Italian television station RAI tomorrow, it is in English...
http://www.rainews24.rai.it/...
there is a torrent version of it as well, to save bandwidth:
http://66.92.170.13/...
An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind--Gandhi

Nov 07, 2005 A couple of addresses, to grease the wheels.
news-tips@nytimes.com
http://www.cnn.com/...
KOlbermann@msnbc.com
http://msnbc.msn.com/...

Mon Nov 07, 2005

Those Pictures are from "Freedom on The March - Exporting freedom and democracy to the Persian Gulf"

How can you possibly have the moral high ground when you're troops are doing this to people?
The links I put below are not graphic, at least with my firewall/ad-blocker settings.

These are more factual text things. Still turns my stomach When "shock and awe" happened, I was definitely shocked and awed. I've read what happens when cluster bombs are dropped in unevacuated neighborhoods.

This whole war has been horrifyingly criminal from "rolling the product out" to finish. I know I'll never see the perpetrators brought to justice, except in my own sweet imagination. If I was fortunate enough to preside over their war crimes trials, I lock them up in a dark cell with daily rice pilaf, water and a toilet and I'd throw away the key.

"It is no longer possible to ignore the strangeness of our public discourse." - Al Gore

I respectfully disagree The link is important.
http://www.uruknet.info/...
Mind you, I don't know who Uruknet is and whether these pictures are authentic. I hope they are not, but have a sinking feeling they are.

having read hopefulcanadian's diary earlier, I have no doubt the photos are either real or might as well be. oops I meant the diaries on the Rec list about this. I thought of hopefulcanadian because his/her comments are so passionate about it.

just look at the subject matterthere. Looks to me like uruknet is a Iraq insurgency public relations.

so what? If US public relations in Fallujah caused that i don't give a damn where i hear it from.

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. -- Edward R Murrow

so what yourself did I say it was good? bad? It is what it is. and this is coming out just NOW? I saw those pictures a year ago. I'm kinda surprised that this is a, well, surprise to anyone on dailykos. This was all reported when we destroyed Fallujah, but most people weren't paying attention I guess.

Hey, we also shot people who were trying to escape the city by swimming across the river!
Fallujah makes Mai Lai look like a simple hunting accident.

that's what i was wondering I saw something this morning but hadn't had time to check out the other diaries. Yeah, i saw those photos probably within a month of the Fallujah offensive.
The Atrocities of the Main Stream Media

As it was in WWII with concentration camps, and again in Vietnam with napalm burned children, images of the horror of war are finally making their way out of the fog and into the public eye.
A year ago or more, if editors and organizations had made the first news and imagery of these atrocities front page, first column stories, then there would have been more of a groundswell of opinion and lives would have been saved.

You don't have to be a soldier to be "a good soldier." The number of Iraqi's killed over the past several years because a few US leaders duped their country and the "coalition of the willing" is a horrible atrocity that the main stream media has under-reported because it supports the status quo.
Only now, despite the lack of main stream media coverage, the truth about the deceptive path to war and the horrid and widespread death and destruction brought by the White House War is dawning on the public. Only now are the administrations "approval" ratings sinking almost as low as pre-resignation Nixon.

The main stream media can wring its collective hands as much as it wants but the bottom line is that this White House War has been, at best, condoned and tacitly supported by moguls, publishers, producers, editors, and reporters.

Everyday people cannot be expected to collect facts, it is the moral responsibility of news organizations to perform this service for society. The indignation I feel toward the media players that have helped carry out these crimes against humanity, from Rupert Murdoch down to Judy Miller, is without bounds.

I blame the mains stream media as much as I blame Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.

Blame Bush and Cheney first, then MSM
Yes, the RWCM has covered for the Bushite scum, but they did not order the torture or use of chemical weapons, or the entire illegal war- that was Bush and Cheney.

Bush and Cheney both need to take the fall for their illegal actions. Stop torture by impeaching Bush and Cheney.

Nov 08, 2005 Here are links: IRAQ: PHOSPHOR OVER FALLUJA
International Law, Fire Bombs in Iraq: Napalm By Any Other Name

Totally inhumane, unnecessary, counter-productive and disgusting (like cluster bombs and land mines), unless you peddle these munitions.

Mon Nov 07, 2005 Thanks for the links. That was the type of info I was looking for before seeing stuff I couldn't bear to look at.

Mon Nov 07, 2005 And we are doing this to a country that never attacked us!
Saying NO to corruption is honorable.

Mon Nov 07, 2005 "At walls stick parts of human meat" From a German link in the post above:
"-grenades with white phosphor have been fired on Falluja which created a wall of fire, burning all the time (phosphor flames can`t be stopped by water - phosphor creates fire by a chemical reaction).

many people did melt; so enormous is the heat

Iraqi doctor Kamal Hadeethi told journalists of the Washington Post: I've seen many people injured; the streets are full of crying people -and full of dead people: they even were melt down to the street. Falluja residents told that all the streets are destroyed, houses are ruines, and at walls stick parts of human meat.

white phosphor reacts simply by contact with air and creates temperatures which even make metal melt - when white phosphor burns it sets free clouds of toxic smog. therefore white phosphor can also be seen as a chemical weapon

white phosphor was used in WW II against german cities."
Nov 07, 2005 Good Diary! If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. [George Orwell]

Alternate views Thanks...Lots of folks on other diaries citing technicalities in the treaties and conventions on weapons...but you know, any bastard who uses WP as an areal weapon in a mixed civilian/insurgent zone has committed a crime against humanity...legalisms be damned.

If we shall fail to defend the Constitution, I shall fail in the attempt.

Mon Nov 07, 2005I think this is worth repeating In April 2001, arms control experts reported that international verification of the ban on chemical weapons would have to be sharply curtailed "because the United States and other key parties to the treaty [mentioning Russia] have not paid their way."
[snip]
The US was the only country to insist on exemption from certain inspections and tests when the Senate ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention in 1997. The Bush administration decided to withdraw from negotiations to institute verification measures for the 1972 Biological and Toxic Weapons Convention, effectively terminating them.

From Noam Chomsky, Hegemony or Survival, pp. 232-233.

If the opposition starts to pick apart your case, they will start with nitpicking like this (followed by
arguments about kerning...). Would rather not give them the opportunity. Thanks for a powerful diary entry; it adds considerable weight to the others posted on the use of WP.

Tue Nov 08, 2005 Many of us don't know what WP is. Please describe. Gut-wrenching as it may be, we must know what the effects of this substance is on human beings. Please educate me - and I would suggest editing your diary to add the description. People will not be outraged unless they know what the stuff is.

Thank you for posting this diary.

Mon Nov 07, 2005 What is White Phosphorushttp://www.emedicine.com/...
"White phosphorus has been used commonly by the military as an incendiary agent or as an igniter for munitions. It commonly is found in hand grenades, mortar and artillery rounds, and smoke bombs. Munitions-quality white phosphorus commonly is found in solid form. When exposed to air, it spontaneously ignites and is oxidized rapidly to phosphorus pentoxide. Such heat is produced by this reaction that the element bursts into a yellow flame and produces a dense white smoke. Phosphorus also becomes luminous in the dark, and this property is conveyed to "tracer bullets." This chemical reaction continues until either all the material is consumed or the element is deprived of oxygen. "

2005-10-26T20:36:00.000-07:00

Candlelight vigil for the souls of the more than 2,000 soldiers Bush murdered. Praying to God not a stone owl idol for all of us and the recovery of OUR COUNTRY from the monsters who have stolen it and our honor!

2005-10-26T20:24:00.000-07:00

Drowning by Numbers

German Reporters - BUSH STAGING Rescue Missions!!!

2005-10-26T20:12:00.000-07:00

HURRICANE KATRINA 8/29/05
Topic subject German Reporters - BUSH STAGING Rescue Missions!!!

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=152&topic_id=88
, German Reporters - BUSH STAGING Rescue Missions!!!
Sun Sep-04-05 02:15 AM

German correspondent shocked about staged Biloxi events

The "tagesschau" is the most popular German news program by far, aired at 8 p.m. The German US correspondents, usually very careful in criticizing the US government, were outraged.

Christina Adelhardt was in Biloxi the whole day. She said she couldn't believe what she saw: Rescue teams, teams for searching bodies and their vehicles showed up, but without being necessary at all - the area was vacated since days.

She said: I'm shocked about the amount of destruction caused by Katrina. But the choreographed events I've seen here today shocked me the same, if not more.
http://www.tagesschau.de/sendungen/0,1196,SPM830_VID4700910_OIT_RESreal120_PLYinternal_NAV,00.html
((in German))

==========

QUICK TRANSLATION

Christine Adelhardt live from Biloxi:

"Two minutes ago the President drove by with his convoy. What happened here in Biloxi during the day is really unbelievable. All of a sudden the rescue troops finally showed up, the clean-up vehicles; we didn't see those over the last days here. In an area where it really isn't urgent, there is nobody around, all the remaining people went to the city center.

The President is traveling with a press convoy, so they get wonderful pictures saying the president was here and the help will follow. The amount of this catastrophe shocked me, but the amount of set-up that happened here today is at least equally shocking for me.

sorry my english is really poor, i hope its comprehensible

Also reported by ZDF. More trickery!
Sun Sep-04-05 02:14 AM

Dutch viewer writes:

There was a striking discrepancy between the CNN International report on the Bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone, yesterday, and reports of the same event by German TV.

ZDF News reported that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and the herd of 'news people' had left and that others which were allegedly being set up were abandoned at the same time.

The people in the area were once again left to fend for themselves, said ZDF.
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002485.html

YOU F--- NAZIS!! THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF SHOW THE F--- NAZIS PUT ON IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS FOR THE RED CROSS. ROT IN HELL.

RE: Also reported by ZDF. More trickery!

you are right... terribly, horribly right. this is exactly the kind of propoganda the nazis used during red cross visits to concentration camps.

The difference between the current administration and the third reich is much smaller than anyone assumed just two weeks ago.

Bush Faked Levee Repair for Photo Op
Sun Sep-04-05 05:59 PM

From a press release LA Senator Mary Landrieu sent out today:

But perhaps the greatest disappointment stands at the breached 17th Street levee. Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a Presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment. The good and decent people of southeast Louisiana and the Gulf Coast - black and white, rich and poor, young and old - deserve far better from their national governmeent.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/09/bush-faked-levee-repair-for-photo-op.html

2005-10-26T20:11:00.000-07:00

"What is this? The House of a Banana Republic?" cried Rep. Waxman when the Republicans allowed indicted Delay to illegally delay the vote on oil refineries and pollution. Why wasn't Delay in prison? Why didn't the Seargent at Arms throw him out of the Congress since Delay had resigned his Leadership position after many indictments?

Dr. Frankenstein's monster's vengeance is at our door

2005-10-26T20:04:00.000-07:00

Tue Oct-25-05 06:54 PM

just a formality.. the "tenants" are scattered to the winds or deceased

~evictions in NO to start today?

i'm watching NBC nightLy, and (whoever) just stated that today was the day LandLords couLd start evicting tenants so they couLd tear down homes and start rebuiLding.

i understand the need to rebuiLd, but what's going to happen with the evictees? tough Luck?

edit: forgot to add, a court injuction barred the evictions, but they were showing the eviction notices being posted.

~~The operative phrase in the quote below is “political appointees” and the guy who appointed them is Bush who gave us that now famous quote "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job". So, how is that Bush who appointed the men who would ensure the destruction of New Orleans is still allowed to even talk to the American people about what a bang up job he’s going to do to bring the city back to lif?. That’s like anyone of us telling our
mother after we busted the cookie jar that we’re going to glue it back together and make it better than it was before we broke it.

“As Hurricane Katrina bore down on the Gulf Coast three weeks ago, veteran workers at the Federal Emergency Management Agency braced for an epic disaster. But their bosses, political appointees with almost no emergency management experience, didn't seem to share the sense of urgency, a FEMA veteran said.”

Worker: Decision-makers lack disaster experience

~~~
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/090205Bohne/090205bohne.html

Frankenstein's monster is on the loose

By Luciana Bohne
Online Journal Contributing Writer

September 2, 2005—Well, yes, there is a kind of shocking distillation of meaning in the catastrophe that hit the city of New Orleans. It's as if the belly of the beast that is the US imperial leviathan has been turned over—its underbelly exposed. There, you can see the reality: two nations, one rich, one poor; one televised, the other invisible—until now.

Abject poverty, criminal infrastructural neglect, opportunistic defunding of minimal preventive planning, disaster relief resources otherwise engaged abroad in protecting the interests of oligarchs, industrial poisons erupting at a mere shrug of nature from their thin disguise just beneath the urban surface of triumphant financial capitalism—a river of murderous toxins running free, running free in the streets of the city of
sweetness, the city of food, the city of jazz like a Frankenstein's monster shaking loose his chains and going after its creator:

"Free markets, free markets, free markets," he's calling, laughing madly, "here I am, your creature, your bastard, your long-suppressed experiment in planned anarchy for profit, your pig-ethics child. Your beloved; your nightmare."

Gasoline prices rising.

New Orleans—welcome to Baghdad!

As it shall be abroad, so it will be at home. Poor people ain't got no home, no electricity, no water. No hospitals, no schools, no city. New Orleans, welcome to Fallujah, to Gaza, to Haiti, to El Salvador, to Nicaragua.

Bechtel, Kellogg Root & Brown, Carlyle, Halliburton welcome you to "globalization": the pain is yours; the gain is theirs.

Welcome to a civilization that ridicules science as an entity beneath treason. Welcome to the freedom and democracy of a state that knows no social contract, where you are born with a gun in your hand but no concept of the common good; a state that owes you nothing but owns you body and soul—in the unemployment lines, in the soup kitchens, in the army recruitment centers, in the prisons, on death row, in the schools that teach you nothing, in front of your television screens that lie and string you along with cynical contempt. To your doom, to your doom, for what is freedom without resources?

The courts have evicted you: there is no bankruptcy for you, no socialism for you. Debtor prison is good enough for you. Government handouts, in the form of corporate socialism, are strictly bookmarked for corporations. No one cares about you. Yours is not to reason why; yours is but to pray and die.

Welcome to the Plan for the New American Century. Welcome to the New World Order. Welcome. It stands exposed. Right there in New Orleans.

America, welcome to your planned future as a domestic, internal third world. Welcome to personal and public chronic indebtedness. Welcome to a bloated "defense" budget that cannot assist you, let alone "defend" you from a hurricane in the age of science. Welcome to the offensive budget that makes your country dependent on China for daily loans. Welcome to the multicolored ribbons in support of a war that kills your troops—your children, who are not here, not at home to help with their strength, their youth,
their bravery, their idealism in pulling you out of the toxic flood waters.

Welcome. Dr. Frankenstein's monster's vengeance is at our door.

Luciana Bohne teaches film and literature at Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. She can be reached at lbohne@edinboro.edu.

2005-10-26T20:03:00.000-07:00

Click on The Hunger Site Every Day to Give Free Food and Medical Care.

NBC Asks, "Where are the Children of NOLA" and BTW Where are the Adults?

2005-10-26T19:56:00.000-07:00

Senator Reid blasted the Republicans over these misplaced priorities and continued favoring of the wealthy
few. “Republicans talk a good game about helping victims, but when it comes time for meaningful action,
they are nowhere to be found,” said Sen. Reid.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1426

By : LightUpTheDarkness.org

MBC Nightly News Brian Williams
October Wednesday 26th 2005

~They're stuck in shelters all over the country.. some very far away indeed. When they get back to New Orleans, they may not even have the little they had when the water receded.

Where have all the children gone?
New Orleans lacks a lot of things, including young children

FREE VIDEO

• Where are the children?

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• Protect nature to prevent disease, experts say
• Dead lab worker's records mean freedom to convicts
• 76-year-old man found after 18 days

By Carl Quintanilla
Correspondent NBC News
Updated: 7:35 p.m. ET Oct. 19, 2005

NEW ORLEANS — There are plenty of things missing from New Orleans these days, but perhaps nothing is as noticeable as the absence of children. The city is virtually "childless," and that's done little to lift people's spirits here.

In a town of empty playgrounds and abandoned toys, David Day's son, Thomas, is alone.

Where are his friends?

2005-10-26T19:46:00.000-07:00

ARMED Blackwater Mercenaries patrol the streets of NOLA illegally using taxpayer money to make sure Katrina victims can't protest evictions and the theft of their property by Bushco and his vultures.

Links on Katrina Survivors in FEMA REX84 Concentration Camps

2005-10-26T19:37:00.000-07:00

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/09/series-of-dreams.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005403.php#

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/09/new-orleans-hostage-crisis.html

http://matewan.squarespace.com/journal/2005/9/6/war-on-the-poor-in-new-orleans-2-the-attempt-to-declare-martial-law.html

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/08/katrina_blog_account.html

http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062

some say junior is stupid. He's not stupid, maybe insane

2005-10-26T19:28:00.000-07:00

Scowcroft is one of Poppy's mouthpieces. They are good friends.
He would never say this stuff without Poppy's approval.

~You got it Bu$h I is the same as his little boy. The guy is a weasel. Always has been. Then for some so called 'hero' like Snowcrotch to come riding in to save the day is just so much BS.

As for the 'success' of Gulf I, has anybody checked the Veterans Adm lately about those strange cancers that keep popping-up. And how about how Poppy set-up Hussein when the Emir of Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields and told Hussein to go ahead and do something about it, the USA would stay back.

And how about the phony information about how Hussein was getting ready to invade Saudi Arabia. That war was a slaughter of the Iraqi. There was never any doubt whatsoever, the crummy Russian arms were no match. The stealth bombers came in (blind to radar) and knocked out all the Iraqi air defenses, after that it was a turkey shoot. As for holding back, don't believe it.

Virtually every electric plant, water purification plant, sewer plant, telephone system, everything was destroyed. The only reason they didn't march to Baghdad then was because Poppy didn't want to bust-up the coalition. If he could have done it, he would have done just what junior did. Iraq was left prostrate and the coalition walked away, even putting sanctions so the country had no chance to rebuild. None.

In light of how he set-up Hussein for that invasion and the subsequent oil for food program that from what I hear has killed 2,000,000 Iraqi children due to starvation, Bu$h I has nothing, nothing to be proud of. He is just like junior.

And now he is gonna scold junior? This is so much BS, where are my hip boots?

~Some could disagree I say Junior is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing, that is destroy the USA. And he's doing a marvelous job of doing just that.

If we look at what is happening, with a war thats bleeding us dry, with the loss of economic stability, the selling of our assets to a foreign power, all this is going exactly to the IMF playbook.

Remember Poppy's speech about the NWO. Junior is following the overall strategy to a 'T'.

And some say junior is stupid. He's not stupid, maybe insane, but far from stupid. Underestimate him at our peril.

Even the dumbing down of any federal response ability is part of the plan.

This perpetual war will destroy our military, thats part of the plan too. To privatize the military and socialize its cost for the international corporate interests. It's part of killing democracy around the world and removing power from people.

After taking down the USA, then taking down the rest of the world by these globalist/corporatist operating within the IMF will be a walk in the park.

It's all part of bringing a NWO, and that comes from Poppy's own mouth. And juniors is playing his role to make that NWO happen, just like Poppy played his role. These guys are not incompetent.

~Good advice. I agree. Bush I stripped Iraq of all defenses,
then AWOL bombed, invaded and occupied. Maybe it's an oil fight. Who gets to "manage" the loot? Dunno. Of one thing you can be sure: the views of the sovereign people of the United States are not factored in. We're just pawns in their game (--as that greatest of seers Bob Dylan once sang).

~disinformation Scowcroft is Condi's mentor. She learned "diplomacy" at his knee.

Believe NOTHING from longtime Bush associates. Nothing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1868574

~~ Plans? We're already over the border into Syria. It began during Katrina with the US bombing the shit out of some villages on the border. Now Syrian soldiers are being killed, with not even a hint of Congressional approval (the excuse not yet cooked up by the deeply rooted "aspens"?).

~~Scowcroft and A World Transformed along with the Powell Doctrine

"Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible.

We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under the circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world.

Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different — and perhaps barren — outcome."

Bush, George H.W. and Brent Scowcroft. A World Transformed.
New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1998. ISBN 0-679-43248-5 (p. 489).

"Essentially, the Doctrine expresses that military action should be used only as a last resort and only if there is a clear risk to national security by the intended target; the force, when used, should be overwhelming and disproportionate to the force used by the enemy; there must be strong support for the campaign by the general public; and there must be a clear exit strategy from the conflict in which the military is engaged."

from PBS's
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/...

DU must continue to 'hoist them on their own petard' ! The occupation is ongoing and a quagmire; the Powell Doctrine was shit-canned by the neo-cons. Shameless stupidity on parade with Republicans leading the band.

~very nice
I don't see myself ever voting for one because I still disagree with them on too many issues, but I do respect Republicans who speak out against other Republicans instead of brainlessly and obediently toeing the party line--especially those who did it before it became popular. Wasn't Scowcroft one of the people from Bush I's administration who were criticizing the war before it even began?

Also, I liked the last paragraph:
A cartoon in the Washington Post Friday depicted the Bush White House being inundated by "The Perfect Storm" of Miers, Hurricane Katrina, Iraq, Rove, the budget deficit and the indictment this week of the Republican leader in the House of Representatives, Tom DeLay, on charges of money laundering campaign funds.

Only a few months ago, a news article would NEVER have included a description of an anti-Bush cartoon.

~~For the record, 58% of the American people opposed the Iraq war
...before the invasion. Across the board in all polls. Feb. '03.

That number dipped only once, in the few weeks of the invasion with U.S. troops at max risk, then went right back up to nearly 60%, where it stayed throughout the election.

Also, Bush's approval ratings, never high (except for a very brief period right after 9/11), were so low, leading up to the election, that Zogby said he could not win.

The opinions of the great majority of Americans are irrelevant to these people.

~~~I think Poppy is quietly pulling the Lil' Prince away by the sausage Via Scowcroft. I agree.

I've said repeatedly here that it will take Republicans to stop these other Republicans.

Just wait and see.

~~Old Bush vs. new (Bracing for attack from Brent Scowcroft)
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=2...

The Bush administration is bracing for a powerful new attack by Brent Scowcroft, the respected national security adviser to the first President George Bush.

A Republican and a former Air Force general, Scowcroft is a leading member of the bipartisan foreign policy establishment, and his critique of both of the style and the substance of the Bush White House, is slated to appear in Monday's editions of the New Yorker magazine.

The article also contains some critical comments on the handling of U.S. foreign policy by the current President Bush from his father, whose 1989-1993 presidency is hailed for deft management of the end of the Cold War, German unification, the first Gulf war and the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The attack also comes as President Bush's opinion poll approval ratings have sunk to around 37 percent, partly reflecting the ill-handled federal government response to Hurricane Katrina's devastation of the Gulf coast. But majorities of Americans are also telling pollsters the country "is on the wrong track" and saying the Iraq war was a mistake.

~disagree with your assessment
I think, at this stage of the game, that going after someone like Scowcroft will absolutely reek of desperation. The bush administration is in deep sh*t now for their dangerous game of vengeance against Wilson. They have far overplayed their hand. The masks have come off. They are exposed. Scowcroft has probably been waiting for this moment for a long, long time.

Of course, with Wilson, there are many more layers than merely vengeance, but in time people will know about those, too.

~Scowcraft will bring a different level of stature and insight to the critique, it will be devastating. He may be the strongest foriegn policy strategist in country, and because of his prior relationship with the father and first Iraq war. It will be like an adult finally saying something to f*ck up kids who are in over their head.

~~~~
Why Wilkerson revelations not news? Oct 21, 2005 6:15 AM

2005-10-15T08:45:00.000-07:00

Why, who is paying for illegally armed Blackwater mercs in NOLA?

Fascism

2005-10-15T08:34:00.000-07:00

Fascism Sep 12, 2005

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facism

Benito Mussolini was very clear in his vision of what was needed, a totalitarian government wedded to a a political system in which legislative power is given to corporations that represent economic, industrial and professional groups.

In other words, a dictatorship of the Rich. The puppet in front doesn't matter. When Bush leaves there will be another empty suit to take his place. It will without doubt be another decoy serving to distract attention from the real action, the transference of
wealth and power to the new rulers.

The Era of Big Government or the era of Big Bussiness Sep 12,

The people in this administration may be quite incompetent but I think they are competent mercenaries of the big bussiness'.

When Pres. Clinton said the era of big government is over, he might have been thinking of a more efficient government still keeping the big scary business' under control...

What one can see since the neo-cons have taken over, is a steady proccess in dismantling US government power in management, finance and military.Outsourcing management and control is the basic tenet of the neo-republican party.

Because Big bussiness does tolerate standards and people-government interferences..This administration represents big business that its growth has nothing to do with well being of the average americans. They will prosper with cheap labor, low quality of life, no freedom and no accountability.

http://www.alternet.org/katrina/25320/?comments=view&cID=36384&pI
D=36264#c36384

Death Squads Sep 12, 2005

to quote a very shrewd political speaker "The reason why we don't have death squads like in haiti and south america, is because the corporations think we don't need them."

it made too much damn sense to me. 350 dollars a day to pay for mercs while our soldiers are probably going to be dicked with forced renewals of tours? i wonder where that pay is coming from? makes me want to stop working, and starve in the street if it means not having to fund mercs. Or, is this perhaps coming from our Charitable donations? or the debit cards they ceased handing out? blackwater...blackshirts.

never thought I'd say this Sep 12, 2005 6:39 PM

This makes me change my mind about gun control. I was for it, but reading this about the citizens of NO having to turn in registered guns -- yet these Blackhawk thugs have guns -- has made me reconsider. What's that saying the NRA types like:

"outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns"? Well, now these
government-sanctioned outlaws are the only people in NO with guns!

~~You are the resident story teller. You have lived long enough to keep track of this all. Me, it is too damn much, too damn much.
I also feel the desperation, the fear, the loss of innocence.
I appreciate you saying what you can not post. Thank you.

~~Ok Johnny, say you are sitting in your own sh*t for a few days, in oppressive heat, knowing your house, and possibly your family are gone. Someone has been promising you the Calvary for a few days.

Consider the psychology of the situation in their terms. What would you do? How do you know you would react one way or the other.

As a former volunteer fire fighter, I remember how I thought I would respond to my first interior attack in full turnout with sixty pounds of breathing apparatus. I was scared sh*tless, but I made it. On the other hand, I saw people with enormous courage falter when it got hot, and shields were melting. The point is we never really know whether we would bash the glass at Walmart for some diamond rings, electronics, whatever.

What happens to us all when there is no one watching, and the
world has turned upside down. The whole idea of applying a global term to the entire populace stranded there by choice or circumstances immediately turns a receptive audience into a non-receptive one because this is all so damn complex. We are trying to wrestle a five-hundred pound marshmallow here with what we believe, what we know, and our fears about how this thing has turned us all inside out.

On another note, I have spent the last year driving all over the country (45k in ten months alone) doing little government jobs. In my travels I have encountered a litany of individuals that have one thing in common: their lives were good enough, and they were busy enough to allow a shallow glance over the events of the world, nothing really affecting them directly. A thing I believe we are now correcting in a simple way. We are talking to one another more deeply about our future instead of pretending it is all fine. Just look at the number and variety of people posting right here as evidence of that.

~~~~Someone has to keep all those hungry people away from the food.

Bubbas with AK's are protecting TRASH.

From what threat? The hungry?

There is no excuse. Just shame, pity, regret, loss of American esteem.

~~But I guess we should bypass a fair trial, judge, jury. No need to charge them, or allow them to defend themselves in court. Nope, lets juts open fire. Get real moron.

These are AMERICANS! We are in AMERICA. You can't shoot them. They get a trial, moron.

Its not as if they can get to a bank and withdraw money to pay. And they can't use electronic debit cards without electricity. Paying is not even a possibility.

Clothes are Inexcusable? They should remain in their wet, contaminated clothes for days? You have NO compassion.

Let's say I steal an FM radio? It could save my life. One merc might agree, but another might put a bullet in your face. Just have some compassion, billions are now pouring in aid. Even if somebody took a TV, I say WTF? They lost their whole city!

Let's not shoot people over some consumer electronics. Besides, the bulk of the so-called looting is for survival supplies.

side note: Calvary is a city, you mean cavalry. It's the cavalry that is shooting Americans.

~~That is a very good question. In planning for disaster response under FEMA's normal process, one key step is for the emergency manager to have a book with all the "authorities" (laws and regulations) that they are supposed to operate under. That
covers Federal, state and local. The object is to do everything legally, and within the bounds of the authority granted. It is also used to find potential conflicts in the laws and regulations, and point them out so that legislators can de-conflict them.

Here, apparantly, the governor of the state hired a third-party contractor, who is also a federal government contractor. It is an interesting question as to how many such contractors can be hired, before it begins to "degrade" the federal effort in Iraq.
At both levels, contractors are supposed to be Equal Opportunity Employers, and conform to federal and state laws. In a gung-ho business like mercenaries, it is not probable that their employers are in strict conformance with those laws and
regulations. Another question raised is whether some of the money from the contractors gets funneled into political campaigns somehow.

Another can of worms has surfaced.

http://www.alternet.org/katrina/25320/

~~New Orleans is teeming with all kinds of law enforcement-and now we have these "security" forces masquerading as cops. The Blackwater thugs who roam the flooded city are just looking for a reason to blow away anyone they suspect as a "criminal." What is their purpose? Are they the ones who are going to do the dirty work? To drag the remaining residents out of their homes?

If these guys want "action", why won' they go to Sierra Leone or some other hell on earth, where the killing is a daily sport.
New Orleans is an occupied city bristling with police activity in our police state of a nation.

Be afraid, folks. They may come to your city sooner than you think.

2005-10-15T08:33:00.000-07:00

War Criminals, Lifetime Prison sentences for Crimes Against Humanity

Alternet on Mercenaries

2005-10-15T08:11:00.000-07:00

GOOD OL' DAYS continued Sep 16, 2005

To understand how the Neo-Cons are undermining our democracy read Banana Republicans by Stauber and Rampton. Then read The Republican Noise Machine (especially chapt. 11: ÂHate RadioÂ and Chapt. 12 Information Wars by David Brock. These are two extremely important books which describe the destructive Neo-Con political strategy. They are both meticulously documented and thoroughly referenced. David Brock is particularly feared and hated in the Neo-Con attack machine because he has seen it work from the inside (see Blinded by the Right Block).

The tactics of the Neo-Cons will only succeed with the acquiescence of an apathetic electorate. Those who don't get informed and don't call them on their propaganda and lies (by objecting to media sycophants who repeat Neo-Con Big Lies) only help those who would undermine our Democracy.

http://www.Move-on.org has it set up so you can email newspapers across the country to register your disgust at the way the media sycophants are pandering to Neocons by slanting their presentation of the news and by not aggressively reporting cases of the Republicans use of propaganda delivered by the news media.

It is up to YOU, who are reading this article(not somebody else) to take a stand for democracy. Without your voice we might see it slip away and sooner than you might think!

~~~I work for Blackwater on Sep 14, 2005]

Here go my poor little fingers again. I think I explained that some guys are current law enforcement officers in some capacity and may be displaying their badges for identification puposes.. I don't think anyone has been deputized, but it wouldn't be a crazy idea considering the circumstances. However I did ask about it unofficially and I was told that no one had been deputized. We may have some contracts protecting some federal agencies or organizations. Again it would be no surprise.

The whole insistence on authority to shoot to kill is ridiculous. (my note: Gov. Blanco said the 82nd Airborne (?) was locked and loaded and would shoot "looters" i.e. people who should have received food, water, dry clothing, blankets and a way out of the drowning City of New Orleans - your tax dollars are supposed to pay for rescuing victims of disasters, not imprisoning them and shooting them when they "loot" to survive.)

You people need to research use of force law a little bit. We can only use the same amount of force that is legally permissible for a citizen or security guard. We have the use of force information in our possession and have been briefed on it. Deadly force can not be used simply to defend property. If someone was deputized they would still fall under these rules but would be allowed to use force to make misd. arrests and under specific circumstances (ten. v. garner) would be allowed to use deadly force to prevent
escape of violent felons.

Why can't we get this crazy idea out of our heads. Are we authorized to use deadly force against a deadly force attack on us? Hell yes, but so is everyone else. I think there is some miscommunication going on on both sides of the story. Some BW guys may not have explained the situation in the proper terms, and some people in the media may be twisting words to better fit their agendas.

I am in contact with the guys downtown and we had a good laugh at all of the allegations we have heard. I had a team on speaker phone and we all laughed together for about 20 minutes. All of us have military and/or police background and we are trying to do the right thing. The last thing any of us would do would be to
confiscate weapons from joe public.

(my note: According to numerous MSM sources, citizens' weapons were confiscated whether by the 82nd Airborne, illegally acting against Posse Comiterus or Mercenaries, it was unclear since even a big name in journalism like Brian Williams had guns pointed at him and his team and lesser known journalists had their cameras smashed by police, see Amy Goodman interviews on Democracy Now! Pacifica Internet Radio)

what is up with the mercenary cliche? I am a us citizen operating on us soil. Is a guard at the bank or grocery store a mercenary. We serve us interests at home or abroad.

~In response to Lord have mercy Sep 19, 2005

We live in what the Bible calls the Last Days.

Things taking place now are clearly identified in the Bible as a sign that we are living in the final scenes of this bedarkened World.

Satan the Devil is behind these things, but Jesus Christ as the Rider on the White Horse depicted in the Bible Book of Revelations, will defeat him and bring about peaceful conditions.

We are tempted to point our fingers at individuals as the cause of the problems of Mankind, but it is not men that are behind these events, it is the wicked spirit creatures, the unseen Demons that work under Satan that are the ones causing so many woes to mankind.

We need to look to Jehovah God and his Son Jesus Christ as the answer to mankind's problems. Only by decisively taking a stand with Jehovah as the One that can solve our problems will we be able to be successful.

We cannot take a stand with any human as the solution. Our only hope comes from Heaven, Our only hope is our creator.....

~~Goodbye on Sep 13, 2005

I have to go now.

I am heading to New Orleans to give away what tools I no longer need; It is all I have to offer those that I have never given to before, so I hope it helps.

Toilet Boy - I hope you discover critical thinking skills, I think your heart is in the right place but your mind is in neutral. Pick this all apart for your well being, it is important.

Olypiada - Continue to read everything you can. Knowledge is one thing no one can take from you. It will fuel your engines and stir your passions and make you a tiger to be reckoned with.

Captain Marvel - If you are still out there, save us all.

Bogey11 - Scream from the rooftops, rant, write, and roll.

Ely Whitney - invent us another cotton gin and make sure we know how to use it.

BadLawDog - Be careful witsterilizationization thing, we may need some smart kids with wit to protect ourselves.

Sojourner - Continue the side trip into this world of craziness and help people understand it.

Colin, across the pond - Don't take your eyes off of our country for a single moment.

And many others I have read here, take this dialogue to the street, don't let anyone bury their head any longer. Make sure that everyone knows what is at stake and hammer it home.

It has been a great experience to stop here for a while, and I hope for all of us that something good will spring from it. I am inclined to think so, just because of what I have seen in the public forum over the last fifteen years. I am encouraged, because we are beginning to scream together even if does not now appear so.

I have to go, I have work to do. Good luck to us all.

~American education...Sep 13, 2005

When you drop off your children for twelve years with total strangers and ignore the importance of phonics in learning to read, you get a populace that should be capable of two things; not thinking for themselves and being able to push the buttons down at the rubber dogsh*t factory.

You have to go back at least 150 years to understand why you do something so f*cking crazy on a second glance.

My wife teaches remedial English and humanities to incoming freshman at a businessschool here in Florida. This year she is faced with full classrooms of students from many areas of Florida, mixed with the trickle of international students still showing up there. She is reduced to rants every night because of the domestic student's inability to read and an inability or complete lack of critical thinking skills.

The international students are clearly much, much better at our language than we are. Why?

John Taylor Gatto has written a book about this called The Underground History of American Education I urge anyone to read it if you wish to understand how we have become such idiots in the eyes of the rest of the planet, and more precisely, the
mindset from which it came. It dropped a bomb into my brain about the why-to-for on what I have always seen as my own failure in education.

Read it and judge for yourself what has been created and why. Then understand the fear of some that are training the rubber dogsh*t molding machine operators how to operate them with pictures instead of words because they can't read.

If we want better leaders as a whole, we must build better minds. There are those that think the masses can not think for themselves, in one respect they are correct. I think those guys are running my country right now. Guns and Daisies will not bring
us any closer to what we need to survive as a nation. We need reading skills, badly.

I have a friend that is a doctor. He brags about how he got through school without reading much at all. He hates reading because he can't very well. He also is a Republican in mind and spirit that has no intention of ever paying back his student
loans. He cannot defend his views at all but does so anyway with vitriol, anger; it is all he has. Sound familiar?

~~~The US President has always been a muppet Sep 12, 2005

GW Bush is clearly just a front for the problems in the USA. He can't help it if he is stupid, simple & a recovering drug addict. I don't think even he is aware of whats going on around him & ever has been. No wonder those around him appear like manipulative tyrants... since has texas beginnings.

He can't help being what he is. Monkey see monkey do. How can bush be the primary problem?. He's purely a muppet like Kermit & the cookie monster. The spin has been turning on the people of the USA since long long ago. Americans are too placated & too brainwashed. The system have been in palce since the 1970's. Its
really is some more powerful sinister force thats been acting on a plan for well over 40 years.

Luckily history shows empires (good or bad) don't last.

You all know bush is merely a distraction for what is really going on in behind the closed doors of power in the USA. Calls to impeach Bush will just draw the attention away from the real focus of modern American problems - a failure of general government and the consequential abuse of power. Look at the farce resulting from the last attempt to impeach a US president. What is wrong with the US is the fooling & dumbing of the citizenery.

Clearly a country which today globally spawns cr*p stuff like American Idol tv, fast- food franchises & an over-the-top obsession with the cult of celebrity has greater problems to deal with than being discourgaed by & blaming poor leadership.

Taking a chip of the top of the pyramid will do nothing to it. And it will stand for 1000 years. Eroding it from its very foundations from the bottom will topple it to the ground. Only then can plans be drawn up for an improved or new vision of
America.

CCR Petition for Victims of Torture and Prayers

2005-10-13T22:54:00.001-07:00

http://www.demaction.org/dia/organizations/ccr/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=1341
www.demaction.org

~I will be joining the Center for Constitutional Rights by fasting on November 1st. I urge you to demand that the Department of Defense take the following steps to bring torture, abuse and inhumane treatment to an end at Guantanamo:

1. Give the detainees a fair hearing and immediately release those who have committed no crime
2. Provide adequate food, water, shelter, medical treatment and the observance of religious practices;
3. Provide to families and legal counsel timely reports on the health status of detainees, especially those participating in the hunger strike;
4. Provide independent investigators (domestic and international ) access to all detainees.

~Dear Father/Mother God, Bless those who have recently passed and those who are in transition now. Bless their families and friends who have remained behind and are grieving.

Bring comfort to them. Bring comfort and healing to those who have been injured and suffered loss due to Hurricane Katrina. Bless and strengthen those who are helping ones whose lives have been thrown into chaos. Bring order and help to the situation, and to those who are suffering, bring peace and comfort. Bless Mother Earth and ease her suffering. Guide our leaders as they work to restore order and to aid the people and communities in need of help. Thank you for bringing out the best in all who are doing all that they can to help. This we ask in the name of Love. Amen. So be it.

We Are Here

Dear Lord,

Help us all to help each other now. Please use this message to get word to people that we at United Disciples Christian Church in Peoria, Il are opening our doors and are ready to help folks needing a place tro stay. I pray your peace that surpasses all understanding surrounds and envelopes all hurting people now. Comfort them, guide them, guard them.

I pray it all in Jesus' name. Amen

For all of God's People

Lord, we ask you to show your compassion and mercy for the people
on the Gulf Coast and surrounding areas. Please let us all grow together as a community and learn to love each other and feel like we are all brothers and sisters.

We are all God's family.
We all need each other no matter how far
away....how rich or poor. There is always something that one can give.... money, compassion, food, a smile, a pat on the back.,
a kind word.

Lord teach us to love each other.
Show your mercy, Lord. Please let us all have a glimmer of hope...Lord, this world is not an easy place to live.

We all struggle and suffer in our own way.

I continue to pray for all. Love and the warmest thoughts from SC.

River of Light

Beloved God,

In the seventeenth century, your servant, George Fox, founder of the Religious Society of Friends, had a vision. "I saw the infinite love of God. I saw also that there was an ocean of darkness and death, and an infinite ocean of light and love, which flowed over the ocean of darkness. In that I also saw the inifinite love of God."

Hold on to us now that we may keep our faces turned toward Light as we reach out to hold and support each other. Open our hearts
and minds to unity and love. Quiet our spirits, increase our courage, fortify us for the long struggle ahead. Keep us in Your Light. We pray this in Jesus' name.

Suzanne

2005-10-13T22:54:00.000-07:00

Australian Citizen held for nearly 3 years without charges at Guantanmo Bay torture concentration camp.

2005-10-13T22:50:00.000-07:00

Bush Eats Cake While NOLA Drowns. How many really died due to Bushco Malevolent Neglect?

2005-10-13T22:48:00.000-07:00

Bush FEMA Expression Expressing...?

2005-10-13T22:46:00.000-07:00

Why are ARMED Mexican TROOPS illegally in NOLA escorted by OUR MILITARY on the order of Resident Bush????

ACLU Files Emergency Motion for Access to Orleans Parish Prison

2005-10-13T22:37:00.000-07:00

ACLU Files Emergency Motion for Access to Orleans Parish Prison

NEW ORLEANS -- In legal papers filed today by the American Civil Liberties Union, two men detained on minor charges recount disturbing details of being abandoned without food or water in over-crowded, flooded cells for days at the Orleans Parish Prison during

Hurricane Katrina. The ACLU submitted declarations from the men, who have since been released from prison, along with an emergency request to allow attorneys to inspect the prison before officials remove evidence.

"First-hand accounts of the horrors within Orleans Parish Prison raise serious concerns about the treatment of people held in custody,"

said Eric Balaban of the ACLU’s National Prison Project, which filed the emergency motion. "There was a complete breakdown in the system during Hurricane Katrina and we need to engage in a thorough investigation to ensure that something like this never happens again."

According to the ACLU, the Orleans Parish Prison fell into chaos in the five days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans on
August 29. As the water rose in the prison buildings, deputies deserted en masse, leaving behind prisoners in locked cells. Prisoners broke windows and either leapt out or set fire to pieces of clothing and held them outside the windows to signal to rescuers. The prisoners spent days without power, food or water, some standing in sewage-tainted water up to their chests or necks.

More Here: ACLU.org

~John Byrne

A July 24, 2005 article in the New Orleans Times Picayune (not available online) reveals just how unprepared officials were for a hurricane, especially as it affected the city's poor, RAW STORY has learned. The first sentence alone reveals how little support the city expected to have for the poor in the event of a disaster, saying, "City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own."

The article was first discovered in a detailed piece by the Philadelphia Daily News' Will Bunch.

The local Red Cross executive director was quoted as saying, "You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you. If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you. But we don't have the transportation."

~Selected excerpts from July Picayune article by Bruce Nolan appear below.

#
In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an
estimated 134,000 people without transportation...

Officials are recording the evacuation message even as recent research by the University of New Orleans indicated that as many as 60 percent of the residents of most southeast Louisiana parishes would remain in their homes in the event of a Category 3 hurricane.

Their message will be distributed on hundreds of DVDs across the city. The DVDs' basic get-out-of-town message applies to all
audiences, but the it is especially targeted to scores of churches and other groups heavily concentrated in Central City and other vulnerable, low-income neighborhoods, said the Rev. Marshall Truehill, head of Total Community Action.

"The primary message is that each person is primarily responsible for themselves, for their own family and friends," Truehill said.

Production likely will continue through August. Officials want to get the DVDs into the hands of pastors and community leaders as
hurricane season reaches its height in September, Katz said.

In an interview at the opening of this year's hurricane season, New Orleans Emergency Preparedness Director Joseph Matthews
acknowledged that the city is overmatched.

"It's important to emphasize that we just don't have the resources to take everybody out," he said in a interview in late May.

Ed Kostiuk - Who is He, Really?

2005-10-11T07:47:00.000-07:00

I stumbled onto the "I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp" thread via a link on a blog (I forget which blog, I was "channel-flipping" so to speak), and from that thread (I read the first few pages), I saw the link to this thread.

I read Ed Kostiuk's opening post, and then I read on.

When I read WO's comment, I decided to do some Googling.

WO's comment here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread169641/pg1#pid1700085

After a bit of Googling, I saw a link that struck me as very interesting. The snippet of text included on the Google list showed 27 years in the Marines and a military intel background. Not exactly the stuff I'd expect from having read Ed's post here, which was a gosh-durn, down-home, jes'-folks, Okie from Muskogee
type "heartland" dude who was just tryin' ta help his neighbors.

Unfortunately, when I clicked on the link, what I saw bore no relation to what the Google abstract displayed!

Even more unfortunately, there was no "Cache" link on the Google index!

I then tried web.archive.org, but no joy -- the page wasn't archived.

After a bit more Googling, I found another entry to that URL that did have a Cache link.

Here's the current page, sanitized as of Sept. 10, 2005:

http://pathfindersar.org/Ed%20Kostiuk.htm

And, here's the Google Cache copy, last modified on Jan. 23, 2005:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:RTA4F5QPnSQJ:pathfindersar.org/Ed%2520Kostiuk.htm+%22Ed+Kostiuk%22+Intelligence&hl=en

Please read it while you can, because the next time Google's spider walks that part of the web, it'll flush the old cached contents and replace it with the current version.

What you'll see when you view that cached version of his bio, is the bio of a heavy hitter -- a guy who's been involved in everything from military intelligence specializing in NBC, combat all over the world, to a tour in the middle east as a UN Peacekeeper, to quelling the Rodney King riots (as part of the military "Surveillance, Reconnaissance, Intelligence Group"), to earthquake disaster recovery all over the world, to heading up the Columbia (STS-107) Shuttle Recovery Operations for FEMA, etc., etc., etc.

He's also taught "terrorism studies" at the Naval Warfare Post Graduate School, and undisclosed other "college level" venues.

The above is not in strict chronological order -- and, it barely scratches the surface.

And... it's been "sanitized" on Saturday, Sept. 10th.

So, what is it that I find troubling?

I find it troubling that a bona fide world class heavy hitter would waltz in and present a personna of a good ol' boy of the Okie variety, just tryin' ta he'p folks.

In short, the personna he presents strikes me as a "cut-out" personna.

No, I don't really think there are any "false humility" issues at play. The hasty bio edit on the 10th seems to mitigate against that explanation, in my opinion.

Of course, I also find it very troubling that he's shuck-and-jived his way around the few KEY questions that have been repeatedly posed.

So, I am of the opinion that he's a genuine pro, here "on a mission" -- a mission of spin control.

There's most of my two cents. I'll hit the send button on this while I consider putting into words the rest of my thoughs on this matter.

Some additional thoughts

I am not real thrilled with things like the suspension of the Second Amendment in the NO LA area. Try as I may, I just can't see any Consitutional mechanism (i.e., actual Martial Law invocation) for what they're doing.

No, I'm not a Constitutional attorney. But, I'm not an idiot, either. And I've got a pretty decent nose for BS.

I do tend to agree with those who've characterized this as an exercise, a prototype, something that'll give us an idea of what to expect when/if there are widespread disasters in the future (such as terrorist hits, war, major earthquakes, etc.)

With that in mind, I think we're likely to see a variety of MOs being tried out for size. Maybe in the wilds of Oklahoma they'll billet people in a Baptist campground. (From the time I spent in a SBC campground in another midwestern state, it seems like they've picked a pretty swank place, as SBC campgrounds go.)

And, maybe in another location, they'll try putting people into an out of the way "officially" shut-down military base. One that's maybe ONLY accessible via air.

In another location, maybe they'll try selecting an out of the way town, and informing" the residents that they WILL be housing "guest" families -- in their own homes!

During each of these trial runs, there'll be reams of notetaking, chin-scratching, and "lessons learned".

For the military, the Gulf Disaster is in a way the best thing they could ever have hoped for. It makes the "TOPOFF" exercises look like sad jokes. They will be able to study the dickens out of this disaster -- and, if my hunch is correct, they'll be doing more than a little bit of "active" studying, as I mused above.

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I do like to think of myself as a bit of a pragmatist, with a bit of a faulty denial mechanism.

With that in mind, I've for some time had the idea that if we ever do experience a real "TSHTF" situation in this country, the way the government would deal with it would be to basically cordon off the affected city(ies), and wait for the smoke to stop rising. Then, they'd send in the cleanup crews, and "renovate",
sans "useless eaters".

When I watched Shep Smith literally freaking out as he screamed about the starving people in the stadium, and the ONE road out of the city being blocked, I said to myself, "Um hum... yup, sounds about right."

Earlier today, I heard news reports that they actually SHOT "over the heads" of anyone who even approached the roadblock.

A real Catch-22 they created down NO LA way. They decided to starve the refugees out, to get them moving (shades of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and...)

-- but, they ALSO decided to block their way, and lock them inside that pressure cooker!

Talk about "damned if you do/damned if you don't"!

But, what that "Catch-22" DID accomplish was to accelerate the "experiment" that I suspect was being conducted. Want to see how a certain "compound" will react after a certain amount of time -- but, you want the results without waiting?

Then "apply heat".

Here's another thing that bugs me:

We were told that they were parceling the refugees out in lots of ten thousand per state.

Then, the feds started declaring each recipient state a "disaster area", supposedly to facilitate "services" and so forth.

But now I'm hearing that the numbers, at least in some states, aren't anything NEAR ten thousand. In fact, they're not even anything near ONE thousand!

But yet, the "disaster area" declarations remain in effect!

So I wonder, what are the implications for these states -- the ones declared disaster areas? Are these states subject to martial law, and/or other "things" of that sort?

Then there's the VERY strange "mode of transportation".

They put people on airplanes, but, they would NOT tell them where they were going until the planes had taken off!

Wow!

Can you picture this scene? You're about to get on a plane -- the rest of your exended family are about to get on two or three other planes.

You want to stay in touch with them - but HOW would that even be possible? You can't tell THEM where YOU'RE going, and THEY can't tell YOU where THEY'RE going!

What are you going to do to keep in touch with your family and your friends who are being put on disparate "high-tech forced-marches"?

Advantage State -- IF the goal is an "experiment" to "maintain large scale population/crowd control."

No need to worry about "trouble", if the "troublemakers" haven't the foggiest idea of where they are, or where anyone ELSE is!

Sort of a "kinder, gentler" series of cattlecar trains departing for regions unknown?

I dunno. I'm open to alternate explanations, so long as they're rational.

"It can't happen here" is not "rational" in my book.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread169641/pg6

The trend I see occuring here is this:

1.) Some have questioned the accuracy or validity of Val's article content. It's not bogus. It's a first hand account of the Falls Creek Camp, with pictures. I believe it more than the spin job that was created to respond to it.

2.) Some seem more than willing to just accept whatever good ole Ed responds with because he seems like a likeable guy and a government employee. I find the ease with which some people do this to be alittle disturbing.

Surely our government wouldn't lie to us, would it? Ed hasn't answered Val's questions or mine so I'm holding out for answers and will never just accept what I'm told without question, especially if it's the government giving the answers.

Part of putting someone's life back together after such a disaster as New Orleans is in helping them find jobs, housing, and get kids in schools. That is happening here in Atlanta without "isolation camps", so someone needs to explain why the
residents of the Falls Creek camp need to be isolated when others from the same disaster do not, why they need military protection when others do not, and all the other questions Val and I posed need to be answered as well.

What is different about the Falls Creek camp residents that is so different from other New Orleans evacuees that requires them to be handled so differently? What is REALLY going on at Falls Creek Camp?

Meanwhile, I'm about to take the six bags of clothing I've had in the back of my car for a week now, that was refused by OEMA a week ago when I was at a facility that Ed has confirmed had staff to receive and sort clothing, down to my church to put on a trailer. Because while FEMA/OEMA was worrying about whether U.S. citizens were competent enough to bring CLEAN clothes, our
church was trying to find a community that needed help. They found one...in Mississippi, where the lady at the facility we are taking a trailer full of supplies to states "they can't keep clothing and supplies on the shelf".

So while FEMA has this gargantuan machine churning through more than a 1/2 billion dollars a day, goods FEMA refused to take into their system and get to the people who need them are going to be transported by a 300 member church hundreds of miles away to a place that FEMA is not keeping supplied.

So once again here we go defying self-deployment. It's going to be a lot harder for Ed et. al. to speak against us on this bein's the community in Mississippi has said "thank you thank you! we need it so badly!"

There's nothing wrong here, right?

quote:
2.) Some seem more than willing to just accept whatever good ole Ed responds with because he seems like a likeable guy and a government employee. I find the ease with which some people do this to be alittle disturbing.

Did you look at "good ole Ed's" bio page?

Specifically, the CACHED version, prior to it being sanitized on the tenth?

Did you ask him WHY he decided to dust his tracks by sanitizing his bio page?

Did you ask him WHY a world class "spook" would want to come across like an "aw, shucks" kinda "good o' boy"?

I'd REALLY like to hear his answers to THOSE questions...

(...as well as the OTHERS he specializes in ducking, reframing, diverting, etc.)

Most of all, I'd like to see an investigative journalist, maybe someone from WND, take a look at this deal, and start shining the light on it.

IF that were to occur, then it'd be game-over for any "virtual cockroaches" trying to outrun the light. There'd be a natural progression, e.g., WND on one day, FreeRepublic on the second day (people posting the WND article), FreeRepublic AGAIN on the THIRD day (spindoc shills swooping in, trying to do a tag-team
diversionary attack on the story), and finally, Fox News and/or WashTimes or some other slightly centerish mainstream media would pick up the story.

At THAT point, the story would have legs, and it would NOT go away, unless something even bigger happened to knock it off the airwaves. Think: do you hear all that much about Aruba lately? (Not that I'm complaining about *that*!)

That was kind of the progression that got "Able Danger" to attain "escape velocity" (although since the hurricane, it's anyone's guess as to where it, and any OTHER non-hurricane story will end up). That's one *really* scary thing about mega-news events -- they provide airtight cover for "stuff" to go on, that
would OTHERWISE be subject to public scrutiny.

I shudder to think of the legislation that's going to be QUIETLY inked into law while the country is fixated on the hurricane aftermath. As I can see from some of the other posts, Ed is not a new member. He told us who he was and was not being overt about it at all.

Ed joined this site on Sunday, Sept. 11, 2005

?!homework Muaddib homework?!

little voice keeps saying, "Elvis . . . I mean Ed . . . has left the building."

On another note . . .

On the surface he may seem to come across as just a guy who's trying to help sort things out and clear the proverbial air, so to speak.

Now . . . scratch that surface . . . no wait . . . start digging and you find a much different picture.

quote:

Ed joined this site on Sunday, Sept. 11, 2005
That would be [firing up four-banger desktop calculator, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching...] exactly ONE DAY after he sanitized his on-line bio!
12-9-2005 at 07:19 AM

PS: for the various "media entities" I listed in my theoretical progression into the mainstream (e.g., WND, FR, FOX, etc.), feel free to substitute any other likely suspects. I just fished those out of the nether at semi-random, but there are plenty of other "stepping-stones" available to get this story into the MAINstream (where Joe Sixpack and his kinfolk can get confronted with it in a form they will accept as valid).

I don't know that it's gonna happen. But I sure HOPE it does!

Yes, I did view the Cached page on Ed's background and I also saved it for future reference, since it is likely to disappear soon. This is exactly why I'm disturbed that some are far too willing to accept Ed's explanation of Falls Creek.

As you pointed out, why would such a heavy hitter as Ed respond to a post on a conspiracy theory website? The government usually discounts such sites as being populated by a bunch of paranoid nerds. Val's article struck a nerve with someone somewhere. I recommend someone forward Val's article to the media and let's see who responds to that. Ed or someone above him.

You bring up some important points Shuffleon. The one that interests me most is, why was Ed's bio sanitized?

While doing a search on Ed, I found something interesting:

"Saturday, August 27, 2005
[CrisisAlert] Hurricane Katrina

President Bush has declared LA a state of emergency

Ed Kostiuk, EMT-W sent from my Blackberry Wireless Handheld"

I cannot verify the validity of this info but This appears to be a text message or e-mail sent from Ed's Blackberry Wireless Handheld. The link I found this at is here- Sent from Ed's Wireless Blackberry

If Ed did in fact send this text message or e-mail as it appears and LA was declared a state of emergency by Bush on 8/27/05, why did it take four days for FEMA to act in the wake of the disaster? Why did it take another week before they deployed the 1,200 trailers set aside at Fort Gillam for this kind of
emergency? If this is to be believed, then the President himself AND Ed knew there was a state of emergency in LA before "Black Monday" (8/29/05), and FEMA and Homeland Security should have hit the ground running with disaster relief on Monday, not talk about it then do something four days later.

Meanwhile Back at ATS people are starting to see the part i said.

"Not everything is what it seems."

That is why I dont understand as this being a Conspircy Ste, you guys just take this guys word for what it was. In reality this guy lead you on a bunch of bs, and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

Next time we get someone on here like this, can we at least figure out why he is here.

More than likey we all know why he is here, to give is MIS infomation.

you have me intrigued...

It bugs me that he changed his bio like that.

I did more digging and found another reference that he was a Federal Marshall as well.
(http://www.warriorssociety.org/Newsletters/2001_Winter/Page_4.html )

So now he have:

Marine
Intelligence Officer for the Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Welfare Unit.
Several command positions at the Surveillance, Reconnaissance, Intelligence Group (SRIG)
Command position Emergency Operations Center

Instructor Terrorism Studies, Naval Warfare Post Graduate School in Monterey, California

Federal Marshal
Safety Officer with Task Force One
Field Operations Officer (FOO) for FEMA
Emergency Management Specialist for the Oklahoma State Department of Health’s Bioterrorism Division

I also came across the site http://all-hands.net/

You have to register (which I did not do) but the interesting thing is that it lets you search on his name.

Aside from returning his posts for the last three years, it also identified "uploads".

One of them was a January 5, 2005, document concerning

quote:
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN McALESTER ARMY AMMUNITION PLANT (MCAAP), McALESTER, OK; AND PITTSBURG COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT (PCHD), McALESTER, OK

SUBJECT: Chemical, Biological, Radioactive, Nuclear, and Explosive (CBRNE) Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) Mass Casualty (MASCAL), and/or Quarantinable Event (QE) Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between MCAAP and PCHD.

I have to admit....the quarantine angle of this story is starting to look more real.

The other thing I have to agree with is why a person with this background (and NOT at a very junior level) would respond to Val's thread??? This doesn't make sense and violates everything OPSEC is about. He would have that notion drilled into head. Very strange....

Refugee Destinations
happened to read the first post on this thread right when it was posted. My original post is the seventh one down on the fist page of this thread.

I have been tracking Vallhal's original post's propogation into the blogoshphere since yesterday. Googling the phrase "just got back from FEMA detention" now gets almost 500 relevant hits including The Daily Kos. Perhaps this might make it's way into the mainstream media.

Questions for Ed K.

2005-10-11T07:43:00.000-07:00

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread169641/pg7

Let's hope this does make it into the mainstream media.

Some questions have not been answered. They are rellevent questions. Ed hasn't come back to respond to them. It could be that he didn't like the responses that some members here have posted, but what did he expect to happen at a conspiracy theory website? Did he expect to be welcomed with open arms and his word to be taken as gospel by all?

Some may have reacted that way, and others may have been a tad bit "enthusiastic" in their responses, but Val responded to his rebuttal with good questions and I added a couple, NONE of which have been answered. I personally am neither condemning Ed as the enemy, nor am I quick to worship his accomplishments and proclaim him to be honorable or caring. I'm simply asking questions based on Val's experiences at the Falls Creek Camp in comparison to completely different ways of handling evacuees that are here in
Atlanta.

No one here is being isolated from the population for fear of spreading disease.

No one here is in need of an isolated camp where they need military protection.

There are mountain cabins in North Georgia and other secluded camp areas that would serve such a purpose if evacuees needed to be isolated from the population for some reason.

Job fairs have been held and people have been hired to work and support themselves and their families, evacuee children have been welcomed into schools. No one here is turning away anyone's donation of clothing, food, or anything else here in Atlanta because it's obviously needed. The Fulton county animal shelter even accepted animal evacuees who are now up for adoption as
pets.

I want to know what is different about the residents of the Falls Creek camp from any other evacuees of the same disaster? Some of the evacuees here in Atlanta were exposed to the fetid flood waters and are being treated for that, but none are isolated in a camp outside of the City. What is different about the Falls Creek Camp residents? Any answers on that?

The evacuees are to be at the Falls Creek camp for five months. Neither Ed nor anyone else has answered as to what happens to them after that. No one has yet offered any answers to your other questions, mine or Val's. Questions need to be asked and answered so that we know exactly what is going on there. If Ed isn't going to answer them, then perhaps some other "qualified" individual who is "caring" can answer them for us. Ed can't be the only person who knows the answers to these questions, could he?

I'm still having a problem with the need to isolate the camp residents from populated areas. Are these particular evacuees contageous with something that they don't want to spread to populated areas? Some thoughts:

* If the explanation for isolating the Falls Creek Camp residents is to inoculate them so that they don't spread disease to populated areas, other evacuees from New Orleans who were exposed to the same contaminants were treated here in Atlanta without isolation from the population and are not living in isolated areas from the population.

* It is understood that the Falls Creek Camp residents are to be housed there for five months. Is anything being done about assisting them with obtaining employment, while housed at Falls Creek?

* Is anything being done about getting the children of Falls Creek families into schools. Since those schools are not close to the camp, how will the children be transported to and from school?

* Why do the Falls Creek Camp residents require Military AND police protection?

All these questions should be answered straight up without excuses or rhetoric.

He did NOT answer my questions. He gave me the excuses for why certain policies were to be implemented. Fine. He did NOT answer the important questions that have concerned me from the time I wrote my account. I'm not looking for a conspiracy. I'm looking to get confirmation that these people's civil rights are not going to be restricted if they come to this camp.

That's not looking for a conspiracy. That's looking out for my fellow citizens!

IMO Valhall has not in any way jumped to any conclusions!

She has the great gift of empathy! If you were in the situation these people are, lost family members, no homes, no food, no money, no job, their whole life lost!

Just think about that for one minute, what would YOU do? How would you feel bout boarding a plane not knowing where it was taking you? How would you feel about being dropped off at a camp where you couldn't choose what you wanted to eat or when you wanted to eat? Couldn't choose the toys for your children! Not to mention being seperated into male or female cabins! I know, I for one would want to be with my husband and son. I also would accept and appreciate having visiters and making new friends, how else could I possibly start a new life?

All I ask is to put yourself in their place. What would you do? How would you feel?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread169641/pg8

Shepard Smith E-Mail

2005-10-11T07:39:00.000-07:00

Airs Daily at 7 p.m. ETA new deal for a new era. How is America responding to

foxreport@foxnews.com

Dear Shep,

I wanted to thank you again for trying to save lives at the NOLA
Superdome. It is unbelievable that these people were locked in with no food or water, even after the MREs had been delivered earlier in the day and the film of you and Geraldo, rightly livid about the starvation and lack of water of these imprisoned people and the Iraqi-type checkpoint not only turning people away
from getting to water, food and lights but shooting over their heads.

I have gotten out of the habit of watching TV but will try to watch your regularly scheduled program, people have been asking on blogsites if you have appeared on TV after your courageous attempt to save lives.

I am concerned with 2 articles on the Above Top Secrets.com site, the one I just read had to do with Nuclear Contamination in the water of NOLA and the real possibility of something thousands of times greater than Love Canal by the flooding of nuclear reactors and the possible destruction of a nuclear reactor in the Gulf.

The second was the Fema Detainee camps which continued in a Rebuttal but the same questions were raised and not answered and a very strange appearance by someone claiming to be with the Oklahoma govt who had posted on Above Top Secret before but changed his bio which included a great deal of security, military
and bio weapons experience, he also was a Federal Marshall.

Also the missing mice with bubonic plague in another state, from a Dental School?? and leading to the missing 5,000 monkeys in NOLA labs that were hosts to Anthrax, other bioweapons and diseases and if the NOLA Evacuees are contaminated and should be quaranteened (but with adequate news media and citizen reportage as to how they are being treated) very suspicious forced evacuations to Utah and other far away states that have been declare disaster areas, possibly as an excuse to declare martial law and for bushco to avoid Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald and his 3 Grand Juries from issuing indictments against the Bush Regime and sending the Federal Marshalls.

*The Blackwell Mercenaries, the 82nd Airborne, the illegally armed Mexican troops in NOLA call out for investigative reporting by the Mainstream Media and if you could explore these issues on your show would be of great benefit to the many people who are asking questions and people who should know about decisions being made that are not in the best interests of the American people.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread169641/pg1#pid1700085

http://www.abovetopsecret.com

The forum thread for the Report on Fema Detainees would not work as a link or when I typed into search engine but can be found on the abovetopsecrets home page.

Thank you for caring about human life and doing something to really help.

God Bless,

Me
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Refugees Behind Barbed Wire in Utah. Why?

2005-10-11T07:31:00.000-07:00

Refugees from New Orleans behind barbed wire in Utah
Posted on Wednesday, September 07 @ 08:11:30 EDT by Lisa

Utah's Governor Jon Huntsman has taken in some of the New Orleans refugees, at Camp Williams. Replete with barbed wire, armed soldiers with weapons at ready, police and sheriff with weapons at ready, and hell, they must surely feel right at home. In America yet. What bullshit! I'm not done with this outrage, not by a long shot. I'm actually just getting started.

The Hurricane Katrina insurgency from New Orleans is tucked safely away behind the 6-foot chain link fence with the accommodating barb wire atop chain links. The ONLY entry into Detention Camp Utah is through the highly secure military gates that are guarded by armed military guards twenty four seven.

The ONLY access to the New Orleans insurgency is granted to military, government officials, and MAINSTREAM media. The armed military guards at the military gates will not take nor answer any questions regarding the New Orleans insurgency. The guards will however instruct one dissident radical pseudo-media personality to turn the car around and get gone post haste. Only officially cleared personnel can access the New Orleans insurgency.

Detention Camp Utah is located about 20 miles from downtown civilization. There is no transportation, public or otherwise, for the New Orleans insurgency. Supposedly, it has been reported by one local media concern that there will be twice-daily bus service available to "cleared" insurgents.

The armed military guards at the aforementioned closely guarded military gates would answer no questions regarding whether the New Orleans insurgency would be able to clear the gates to access the quickie mart, located down a rather steep hill about three miles from the Detention Camp Utah. Nor would the guards answer questions regarding whether they would allow the New Orleans
insurgency to re-enter Detention Camp Utah if somehow they were able to gain an exit.

Detention Camp Utah is a windblown and barren military installation atop the foothills of what is known as the Oquirrh (pronounced ochre) Mountains. It is isolated and surely quiet.

What a pleasant spot for those that were relocated by the U.S. military and the to. Not a one of the refugees/insurgents were told they were being sent to Utah. What a freaking shock that must have been.

That is all I was able to ascertain when I paid Detention Camp Utah a short visit on Labor Day. Due to the escalating hostility of the military guards at the armed military gates into Detention Camp Utah, I cut my visit short and also cut my questioning of the armed military guards short. The nice chap with the shiny Colt 45 and the three stripes on his sleeve was growing moderately curt and gave me one last instruction to get away while I still could.

That's the way it is, Labor Day 2005.

Some refugees unhappy with destination
by Kirsten Stewart,Salt Lake Tribune
Sept. 5, 2005

Jervis Bergeron lost his home to Hurricane Katrina. He lost his dignity looting for food and water. He lost track of his family in the chaos that ensued as rescuers evacuated New Orleans.
Now he has lost his bearings.

"I knew where Utah was, but nobody told me that's where we were going.

Nothing personal. It's nice. But I don't know anybody here," said Bergeron, among the first batch of 152 evacuees to arrive at the Camp Williams Utah Army Like others who arrived in smaller military planes, Bergeron wasn't told where he was headed when he boarded the JetBlue airliner Saturday at the Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport. In fact, great pains were taken to keep their destination secret.

National Guard officials asked a reporter and photographer aboard two separate military planes not to identify their news organizations or tell the refugees where the planes were going. They explained some refugees on earlier flights complained or refused evacuation when told where they were going.

Federal emergency officials said pilots had their passengers' safety in mind. Few evacuees are holding a grudge.But some argue, as a matter of respect and simple courtesy, they should have
been told where they were landing.

"I asked four or five people, but they said they didn't know," said Bergeron, 54. "It wasn't until the airplane doors were shut and the engines started that they told us, Utah."

Michael Widomski, spokesman for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), said keeping destinations a secret wasn't an official policy decision, but more likely a last-minute response to trying circumstances. He doesn't know if the practice was unique to Utah-bound flights
This is not a relocation effort.It would be great to provide air service to wherever they want. But that's not logistically possible," said Widomski. He said 13 states currently are sheltering refugees. So far, Utah, Arizona and Colorado are the farthest West.

"It isn't good or bad policy," said Widomski. "The priority is getting people into a safe, clean environment as fast as we can."Not everyone was dismayed to find themselves thousands of miles from home in foreign surroundings.

"I was just happy to get out of there," said Antoinette LaFrance. The flight was the 61-year-old's first time on a plane and first visit to Utah. "People applauded when they heard it was Utah," said Adolph Dennis, who came on a Sunday morning flight. "We heard it was getting awful crowded in
Houston. Everyone has been so hospitable here."

At least one volunteer at Camp Williams says the scattershot rescue will make reconnecting families tougher. Violating victims' civil rights also adds insult to Hurst, a certified crisis counselor.
Hurst recounted the experience of a young evacuee who on Saturday told a family member in Texas that she was en route to Houston only to wind up in "Now the Red Cross has to send her to Houston. That's where her family is.

There's no family here. It's been quite a culture shock for her."

All Hurst can do, she says, is "validate their feelings and tell them they have the right to be angry."

http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2625

2005-10-11T07:25:00.000-07:00

Who Are The 75,000 Body Bags For?
Posted on Friday, September 16 @ 22:41:29 EDT by Lisa

"The hunt for survivors continues in New Orleans"- Actual photo caption from Daily Telegraph UK -
Who Are The 75,000 Body Bags For?By Lynn Landes / Opednews.com

Questions mount over Hurricane Katrina's death count. Estimates are now well below 10,000 with the death toll currently standing at 648 for Louisiana, Mississippi, and Florida. So, why did the Bush Administration order 75,000 body bags?

Along that line, other things don’t add up. For instance, why did FEMA contact a crematorium in the local area; how could people identify their loved ones if only ashes remain? Why did FEMA rebuff efforts of volunteer morticians? Why did the feds try to ban reporters from covering the body recovery effort? Why have the feds employed mercenaries in New Orleans? Don't we have plenty of
volunteers, police and military in the U.S. to get any job done that needs doing?

What's really going on?

I don't know with any certainty, but here are some theories:

Maybe the Bush Administration doesn't want us to know how many people died because they just can't take the political heat for being completely incompetent. That's somewhat understandable. Maybe they ordered 75,000 body bags and hired Houston-based Blackwater mercenaries as more pork barrel projects. Nothing new there.

Or, maybe the feds want to hide bodies in an effort to grab land for their developer friends, or deny insurance claims for their friends in the insurance industry, as some people assert happened last year after Hurricane Charley in Florida. The Bush Administration can’t count on the police or military to carry out their dirty work, so they use private security firms. That's in keeping with the
Bush Administration's MO (modus operandi).

Or, maybe they don't want us to know exactly how some of these folks died. Maybe some New Orleans police did not abandon their stations. Maybe they were murdered while trying to protect their city. After all, Mayor Ray Nagin made public statements saying, "The CIA might take me out". What was that all about? There are reports that there was a shoot-out between New Orleans police and contractors. And rumors are rampant that the 17th Street levee was bombed to protect the wealthier parts of New Orleans. Something along those lines occurred in the Great Flood of 1927.

Or, maybe the body bags have little to do with Katrina. Maybe the bags are for us. On September 11th, the Bush Administration announced a new Pentagon guideline to allow pre-emptive nuclear strikes. Most people think that means an attack on Iran. However, some observers believe that some place in America (perhaps off the Carolinas' coast) will be the Bush Administration's first target.

Under the cover of Katrina, maybe the Bush Administration hopes no one will notice an order of 75,000 body bags.

http://www.countercurrents.org/us-landes160905.htm

* = Photo Caption from Daily Telegraph UK
Body bags arrive in New Orleans(Filed: 08/09/2005)

Up to 25,000 body bags have begun arriving in Louisiana as the Katrina flood waters begin to recede revealing new horrors. The official death toll is put at much lower, but it is feared thousands may have died in the hurricane and its aftermath.

The hunt for survivors continues in New Orleans
Bob Johannessen, spokesman for the state Department of Health and Hospitals, said: "We don't know what to expect."

Dick Cheney, the US vice president, said the recovery effort was "very impressive" as he toured ravaged towns in Mississippi and Louisiana.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/08/ukata.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/09/08/ixportaltop.html

L;ink ~~~Expert: 'Huge flaming ball' might have been an asteroid
Posted on Saturday, September 24 @ 08:33:39 EDT by Lisa

PALM BAY -- A mysterious ball of fire that soared through the sky about sunset two nights ago most likely was a fragment of an asteroid, a NASA scientist said Wednesday.

http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&si
d=2720

Republican Rep. Ron Paul concerned about NWO

2005-10-11T07:16:00.000-07:00

Congressman Ron Paul Admits Conspiracy to Create World Government

911Exposed.com

Eric Rainbolt - audience member asking question of Congressman Paul at event near Austin, Texas on August 30th, 2003: "Congressman Paul, I have a question..."

Moderator: "Over here." (pointing to Eric Rainbolt.)

Eric Rainbolt: "Great! If we can take a look at the big picture, could you tell us, the people in this room, any information that you may have of an international and deceptive conspiracy to overthrow the American Republic and its Constitution & Bill Of Rights in order to set up and usher in a totalitarian World Government likely espoused under the UN also.."?

Congressman Paul: " He asked if there was an international conspiracy to overthrow our government. The answer is "Yes". I think there are 25,000 individuals that have used offices of powers, and they are in our Universities and they are in our Congresses, and they believe in One World Government. And if you believe in One World Goverment, then you are talking about undermining National Sovereignty and you are talking about setting up something that you could well call a Dictatorship - and those plans are there!..."

Orginal Source Propagan Matrix

ALTERNATE VIDEO of this speech segment. http://www.raven1.net/ronpaulowg.htm

WHY?Why are people chosen to be targeted?February 14, 200510/04/2005

NIGHT AND FOG REVISITED
Is Harriet Miers a Closet Sadist?

Field Marshall Wilhelm Keitel, supreme chief of the German armed forces, explained the thinking behind the Nazis' "Night and Fog" (the term comes from Goethe) decree: "Efficient and enduring intimidation can only be achieved...by measures by which the relatives of the criminals do not know the fate of the criminals...These measures will have a deterrent effect because the prisoners will vanish without a trace and no information may be given as to their whereabouts or their fate."
Anyone who doubts the extravagant pain of not knowing what happened to a loved one should talk to Natalee Holloway's parents.

Night and Fog came to the United States when federal agencies built and filled a global, ad hoc network of prisons and concentration camps during the months following 9/11, and began filling it with Muslims of varying status. Officials promising to update lapsed visas lured foreign-born residents to immigration offices and arrested them when they showed up. Captured Taliban soldiers, stripped of their rights under the Geneva Conventions, were thrown together with civilian shopkeepers sold by local warlords for bounties to the CIA in Afghanistan, to whom were added anti-communist rebels from China and democracy activists from Pakistan. Some were shipped to Cuba, where many were tortured, some to death. Others were delivered for "extraordinary rendition" via covert CIA jets to countries reputed for their pain-inflicting expertise, including Syria, Yemen and Uzbekistan. No one knows what happened to them.....

------Senate Democrats and patriotic Republicans should insist on a full review of Miers' advice to Bush on torture and disappearances before voting on confirmation to the Supreme Court. No one who agrees with Alberto Gonzales' monstrous contempt for human rights ought to be elevated to such a powerful post--even if her consent is expressed through tacit silence.

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2005-10-07T12:57:00.000-07:00

When Bush asked for everyone in NO to please be identified and he used the $2000 card as an incentive, I wondered if that was part of a cover-up operation to flush out some released fugitives.
Any thoughts on this? Slightly off topic?#

Actually one of the earlier criticisms that Sen Landrieau responded to was the effort expended to shackle all the prisoners in the city/county jail. It seems to me the guards, police and sheriffs had to get them thru some flooded areas to the overpass where they were picked up and sent to other jails. (Remember a picture of a bunch of people in orange jumpsuits on the pavement?)

No they couldn't leave them there. The jail also had no water, food or electricity. The guards were in danger of having an uprising. They certainly did not release them - there was never an option of putting them out in that city. One of the ripple effects of this is absorbing these prisoners and about 75 juveniles was the over-crowding in the other state facilities. Also reported on a law school blog from a Baton Rouge lawyer is the total mess of the legal system due to the lawyers and clients being
displaced and many files (stored in basements) being underwater.

I wonder if the detainees the military is referring to are the looters who have been arrested?
Just a follow up on some previous comments and my nutrition digression. Ask prison guards if they want the meals cut back and made unappetizing. You will get a loud NO. There are few ways to pacify people you are keeping under lockdown. Food is one of the easier ones.

As far as overall behavior, good nutrition helps.

A double blind study at one prison showed that when they were given a balanced diet and limited junk food, their behavior was not as uncontrolled or violent. Which could be why the Falls Creek people felt it was reasonable to offer healthy food choices first.quote: (Page 8) The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason.

That is true once they were placed on the busses we had no way to determine their medical status. They have been exposed to several elements and prior to allowing them off camp we wanted to have them checked out by the Doctors and Nurses we had lined up at Falls Creek (Page 15 the people in the blue jump suits). We also had 22 ambulances standing by for medical emergencies. We had a similar camp in Northern Oklahoma and had 4 medical emergencies the night these good folks arrived and they needed immediate transport to a local hospital. Many of these US Citizens arrived with pre-existing medical conditions.

So you need to quarantine them for five months??. This is not logical. Ed Kostiuk, 50, drove from Oklahoma City to aid the search. He's a safety officer and medical assistant for Oklahoma and served as a Marine for 30 years. He also helped when terrorists attacked the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, and when an earthquake ripped apart a portion of the Bay Bridge in San Francisco in 1989. Is this you?

(Above from: http://www.floridatoday.com/columbia/columbiastory2A43078A.htm )
You were also a bioterrorism management official, no? Still are perhaps?

So that begs the question, why haven't the disease research facilities in NO been in the news? Do the biohazard research facilities in NO pose a danger to the people in the city? Have the post-flood refugees been contaminated with something you're not telling us about?

When FEMA runs their scenarios for NO, do they take into account the presence of the bioterror research facilities? Do y'all factor that into the simulations? Seems to me that you should be more worried about floodwaters contaminated with plague and anthrax, rather than razorblades
concealed in apples (such an urban myth) donated by Okies for the benefit of refugees.

quote: Page 1 stated: I packed up two car loads of us and headed over to Falls Creek. In the Emergency Management Community we have asked the population over and over not to "self deploy" and the following reason are given for such request. Ugh. So people are being instructed not to take responsibility for their fellow citizens, despite the fact that the refugees have complained
vociferously about a lack of basic necessities.

I think FEMA telling people to stop being charitable is a big mistake, the sort practically guaranteed to boomerang around and bite your organization in the *** . Telling people not to self-deploy is a very, very big mistake. Americans NEED to take more responsibility for their lives and their
decisions. If people want to help, let them. It's not just helping the refugees ya know, it's helping the helpers immensely.

This is just the sort of proclamation that makes people resentful of the government. quote: Prior to Jesse Jackson making his comments our Governor and the State Officer of Emergency anagement asked all Oklahomans to please refrain from using words such as refugees and displaced people. We were asked to use the wording "Oklahoma Guest". This went out on the media here in Oklahoma and in print.

The author of this report continues to use the term refugee throughout the paper. Well, I'm a writer, and I think I'll use the term that fits best. Similarly, I defend Val's use of whatever term she desires. Jesse Jackson and OK FEMA can use whatever term they like best, but when you start telling people how to speak, you cross a very real border.

quote: One of the primary reasons for using Falls Creek was the picturesque area and having the ability by faith-based groups to allow these folks the ability to put their lives back to normal, as much as possible, without having the press and lot’s of concerned citizens hound them for interviews and “how was it”.

So this was done for their own good? Did they request this sort of location? Have the refugees themselves got anything to say about this state of affairs? I think they do, and it aint "I wanna be up the woods, removed from civilization and hundreds of miles from the home I left behind."

Nope. Not by a long shot. I would wager green money that the refugees want to be as close to their homes as possible, not stuck up in a cabin in the mountains. While this life would suit me quite nicely, it makes most people crazy.

quote: We knew from the start that we needed additional security at the site so Oklahoma Highway Patrol officers were assigned in double shifts to protect those “guest” from the media and other “well concerned citizens”.

Wow. You totally just went there. You brought in the Okie highway patrol to protect the New Orleans refugees from well meaning Okie citizens? Is logic dead, did I miss the funeral?

Is this what FEMA does now? Y'all have turned your attention away from mitigating disasters and towards protecting citizens from the kindness of their fellows? How freakin' bizarre...

quote: She states her daughter “turned and snapped a picture of his vehicle (Page 5)—very conspicuously”. There was no reason for some James Bond type of picture taking OHP officers are very friendly and will allow their photo’s and that of their cruisers to be taken.

James Bond would have taken the picture INconspicuously. I think you got your concepts confused. There was no subterfuge involved here.

quote: The reason (page 7) for not allowing clothes was the fact we need to ensure they are clean and in good order. We have over the yearssat disasters received soiled and dirty diapers, ripped clothes and other related items by well meaning citizens. We now have retired ladies who help us select clothes that can be used by these folks. I have photos’ of thousands of clothes at Fall Creek that were standing by ready to be delivered to these folks.

This makes total sense to me, as far as screening the clothes before giving them to the regufees. This fact should have no bearing on your ability to take the donations offered. It's downright rude to refuse a gift yaknow.

quote: (Page 8) The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. That is true once they were placed on the busses we had no way to determine their medical status. They have been exposed to several elements and prior to allowing them off camp we wanted to have them checked out by the Doctors and Nurses we had lined up at Falls Creek (Page 15 the people in the blue jump suits). We also had 22 ambulances standing by for medical emergencies. We had a similar camp in Northern Oklahoma and had 4 medical emergencies the night these good folks arrived and they needed immediate transport to a local hospital. Many of these US Citizens arrived with pre-existing medical conditions.

So they're in voluntary medical quarantine? If they stick around they get food, shelter, medical attention, clothing, and a little bit of cash, if they leave they can't return?

Why is that, liability issues or something more sinister? I'm really curious about that bit.

quote: The reason your “pop-tarts” were accepted is they are sealed in an enclosed package and are “tamper proof”. We are trying to protect our Louisiana friends from the criminal element and bad people that might want harm done to them. What are we, 6 years old? Jesus christ. Is Al-Qaeda targetting the refugees with cyanide-dipped candy corn? "Why did the bad man fly the plane into the building?" "He hated freedom Billy. He hated freedom."

Do you honestly buy this explanation, or are you just paid to parrot it?

quote: This is the reason Apples and Oranges were not allowed. I wonder if this lady allowed her children to go around on Thanksgiving and accept open candy from strangers. I certainly freakin' hope so. Prove to me that haloween fruit has ever killed anyone, and I'll shut up and go away. Thing is, it hasn't, ever (to my knowledge). The whole cautionary tale is bogus, completely unfounded, paranoid to the nth degree, a big fat stinking urban myth.

But "BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID..OF EVERYTHING!" Right?

quote: The toys she refers to must first be checked. We have had “Christian groups” donate toys such as swords, toy guns and other devices that usually mean harm donated to our causes over the years so we check them closely before allowing any kids to play with them. I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Is FEMA going to take over parenting responsibilities as well? This should be interesting...

quote: The meals were going to be provided by the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army. We at the Health Department were requiring that they eat hot food with plenty of vegetables not the “junk food” that this lady stated she was brining. Snacks were to be laid out during the day and night for their use, but meals which included the basic food groups were required 3 times a day.
So now FEMA is speaking for the refugees under its control when it comes to minor things like diet choices?

I think, no, I KNOW, the refugees are going to have a problem with that fact. I have a question. What on earth gave you the bright idea to post your telephone number? You realize just how many people might be calling you as a result, don't you?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread169641/pg1 Page 12....

There were buses coming in the front gate at about a rate of 1 every 2 or 3 minutes...We could hear them below us as we walked back up the hill...we could see their white tops through the trees...
No what you heard was the 22 ambulances we posted at the SITE..we NEVER had anyone show up from Texas or Louisiana in buses at Falls Creek. As of this date Sunday Sept 11, 2005 we still do not have anyone at Falls Creek The small town of Davis population of 2,000 have opened their arms and hearts to anyone who might have been impacted by Katrina.

They were very offended when I forwarded them your comments about their "little town". They are "Okies" and very proud of the fact they can lend a hand to any "guest" of Oklahoma There are still questions that need to be answered however, and I'm not seeing any answers forthcoming.
What about the bioterror angle? Not so much as a whisper from officials.

What's going one, besides damage control I mean... feel strongly your wording is one of 'acceptance' of government edicts. i don't believe people's rights have been protected and i don't
believe what was ordered was for the 'good of the peopele' (my quotes). it appears to be a soothing post, you made. a post to suggest questions shouldn't be asked.

it seems as though whatever was going to happen at Falls Creek has been averted solely due to Valhall's original post concerning this matter. but i ask: how many other 'camps' haven't been 'de-activated'? camps which haven't made it into the spotlight? i'm not assured the initial poster of this thread has the public's best interests at heart and fear it is spin. the public should always be watchful and frequently question anything presented as something for the greater good. all the above is my opinion only.

Well, just to clear up. I think Mr. Ed came on a bit defensive and maybe he was genuinely upset about the things I stated in my article. To the point he was a bit scattered in his replies. He seemed to be a decent guy and I hope he comes back and answers my questions. He has now explained:

1. Why hundreds of volunteers were turned away from the camp on Monday. I would like to point out that this turning away led to the situation where many, many cabins had been stocked and decorated (the bathrooms in our cabin looked like you had walked into a freshly restored hotel bathroom with decorative towels and handrags and little baskets of hygiene products beside each sink), but other cabins didn't even have the beds made, and had no supplies or preparations in the least. <=== This could have caused a riot.

2. He explained why the Southern Baptists of Oklahoma can't be trusted to supply certain foods to these people - the evil ones amongst us might poison them or stick a razor blade in an apple.
3. He did NOT explain why pop-tarts are not considered "junk food".
4. He didn't sufficiently explain to me why the refugees needed to be kept away from the Oklahoma citizens who want to ease their discomfort, make them feel supported, and help them start new lives.
5. He DID say they could leave after they got "medicalled" (inside joke). But we already knew that, so he did NOT explain whether they could come and go from the camp.
6. He NEEDS to explain why Davis would be offended by my concerns about Falls Creek. He also needs to explain why Davis's open hearts and arms have any more vested in this than any other city in Oklahoma. (Proximity doesn't count.)
7. He did NOT explain why they can't have milk.
8. He says Oklahoma DHS demands three meals per day, but that's not what was said at the camp. I wish he WOULD clarify this.

FUNNY NOTE: He said Red Cross and Salvation Army will be preparing the meals. Guess what organization owns (as far as I know EVERY) EVERY mobile kitchen used by the Salvation Army and cooks every meal for Salvation Army relief efforts - that's right... the Southern Baptist Convention. *sigh*
9. He DID mention the large OHP presence, but there were crickets sounding when it came to the military presence.
10. He didn't explain why I should give a flying flip what Jesse Jackson says. I didn't know Jesse was setting Oklahoma state policies now!

I hope he comes back and answers the unresolved concerns that I posted in this thread in an earlier post. I hope he does.

The man works with deadly diseases and piles of dismembered corpses. I somehow doubt he's been scared away by little old me. I understand the desire some have voiced about being respectful and courteous to our new member.

I also think there's a clear difference between being courteous, and being defferential.
This gentleman's post elicited responses of various sorts, ranging from pleasant greetings to irate sarcasm. This is pretty standard, and provides a good cross-section of the views of the populace. I don't see any reason for the repeated requests from members to tone it down.

This is business as usual, no? Am I missing something? Dude made the decision to come here, probably with the best intentions. One can only hope he keeps coming back, and becomes a
valued member of the community, but there won't be any ring-kissing on my watch, not while FEMA continues to spend astronomical quantities of taxpayer money on a daily basis, with questionable results and, apparently, zero accountability.

The membership of ATS is a collection of individuals, so it should come as no surprise when we don't all share one opinion. Anyone embarassed by the actions of some members should perhaps be more realistic, and simply settle for being embarassed regarding human beings in general.
As I said before, there are hard questions still hanging, questions that require real answers. Until those are forthcoming, I caution against being overly protective of this gentleman. Besides, assumedly he can take care of himself, being an adult with a military record and a number of other accomplishments.but you have your answers for the most part.

Comments on Very Odd FEMA Decisions at Falls Creek Remote Rural FEMA Camp

2005-10-07T12:32:00.000-07:00

I'm really wondering about this.. Has anyone heard anything?

6-9-2005 That is friggin WEIRD, Val. By the way, thanks for helping people out like this. Its nice to know that Christian charity is not dead. The whole story kinda gave me the creeps. But it also shows the massive failure of burocracy. FEMA rejecting your clothing donations, when they probably wouldnt have enough after sorting through what they had? Bill O'Reily, who I seldom agree with, made an excellent point about relying on or trusting the government to help you or do anything for you. Its a farce. FEMA's management of this disaster, plus the blunders of Homeland security show how top heavy, slow, and a waste of space the government agencies are. Apart
from the military, the helping hand from the average private citizen has been more effective and better organized. Hell, your church seemed to be doing far more to help the victims/refugees/detainees than the idiotic feds.

Thanks for sharing these pics and the story though. Im begining to think that stories of FEMA detention camps and such aint so crazy after all.

posted on 6-9-2005 Does it seem to strange to anyone else that within a matter of days FEMA has leased this whole place, set up complete communications, security, staff, organized id and housing systems, setup a system of rules which everyone has already been trained to understand, prepared organized buckets of toys for the kiddies, racks of clothes, etc. etc. etc...???

I mean it's not like the church leased out the property last month or even last week, yet the paperwork has all been done and the staff is ready and in place. For a government agency that didn't even show up until almost a week after the crisis hit, it sure seems a bit odd that something like this would come together so well so soon.

BTW, what exactly happens in 5 months when the lease is up and obviously these people still have no homes, no where to go, haven't been in contact with the outside world in almost half a year and have basically just been held captive under conditions that are similar to a military quarentine facility or POW camp without the torture??? There weren't any any large "shower rooms" with unfamiliar pipes or exhaust fans attached to them anywhere to be seen were there???

posted on 6-9-2005 All through the aftermath of the hurricane I was thinking about this before Vall's post. My question is this - what happens after 5 months when those Americans have been de-Americanized so to speak? No one can say that all they've been through including detaining them so far away from society can be good for them.

Think about the institutionalization people suffer from in prison and mental hospitals, not to mention camps of this nature. Even under the best conditions and with food and shelter and a warm bed, they will be undergoing who knows what while they are in confinement.

What will happen after? can't believe what I'm reading. They can't leave?? Why the prison conditions? What have these people done but lose everything? I have suspicions about everything I've heard and seen so far. I notice how quickly people are to turn on 'looters' and 'thugs' as they are
now known in the rhetoric of this disaster.

It all sounds too familiar because most of the US went down this path when Iraq and Saddam were turned into the scapegoats for 911.

The people are said not to be allowed to leave the camp for any reason for at least 5 months. What is not being allowed to leave a location in the middle of nowhere for 5 months called then if it isn't detention or detainment?

I don't think that was said. They can leave, but cannot come back was what I understood. Now given the location and the total lack of any personal property this may be more than a trivial exercise. But if a relative calls me from the camp based on what I understood from the intial post I could go and pick them up. But they cannot return.

Right. I want to make this clear (according to what the host said). They can leave. They can't come back. If they have family/friends that will put them up, the host said they could leave to go stay with some one...but they can't come back.

Who knows...maybe FEMA will taking them on buses some times some where. It's 25 miles to the nearest "large town" if they want to go shopping. It's about 70-80 miles to Oklahoma City which would be the closest "shopping mall".

6-9-2005 Thanks for clarifying that. I was under the impression they couldn't leave at all.
Lets hope alot of these people have family elsewhere in the US that will take them in.
And yeah Valhall, my comment about the scavengers is the Mainstream press. I'd say milk them for as much as you can with everything you can and turn the money over to charity. They are portraying survivors of Katrina as monsters, losers and vermin.

6-9-2005 I have another possible explanation for the way this is being handled, especially the "if you leave you can't come back" policy. Perhaps FEMA is worried that the refugees will get used to living in these camps at the expense of the state and will become financial and logistical burdens indefinitely, so FEMA is ensuring that life in the camps is as unbearable as possible whilst still within the limits of public acceptability. Then, when people can't stand the isolation, the lack of entertainment (TV, etc), the lack of milk for Pete's sake, and especially the lack of independence or opportunity to find work, they will start to leave of their own accord. This then absolves the
Feds of any responsibility since they, on the surface, provided shelter and food, the rules were made clear, yet the refugees still left of their own free will.

The Detainment Camp theory seems to be somewhat in line with some popular conspiracy theories, many of which I myself am a proponent, but I think we may need to call out Uncle Occam with his shaving kit for this one, at least this time. Have to wait and see I guess...

6-9-2005 Is the area with the cabins enclosed by a fence or otherwise? Or is it possible to just stroll away from the cabin for a walk through the hills?

Apparently you have been in touch with your church officials, correct? Maybe they can offer some insight. What is/are the closest major highway(s) into this area from LA? I'm just wondering if someone could intercept the convoy and mingle with the evacuees along the way at a rest area or similar. Get a feel for the type of people being bussed in.

As far as the statements "you can leave but you can't come back", you should try to get your hands on any hardcopy documents stating as much. It's a very interesting scenario. It could all add up to nothing, but there are some parts of this that I'd like to hear more about. Keep us posted.

6-9-2005 Well first of all I'd like to give thanks to Valhall. That was one of the most excellent stories I've ever seen, and I'm glad you took the time to report it. I'm also thankful that they're people like who're willing to do so much for disaster victims. But on the other hand I find this story disturbing, very very disturbing. Something is definitely wrong here, I have to admit I've never
heard of anything quite like this. This seems almost inhumane, even considering the circumstances. However I have to ask, why on earth would they do such a thing. Nearest I can tell it seems a bit controlative, depsite the fact that these aren't very happy people. I have to say, I smell a conspiracy, but even this one puzzles me to no end.

6-9-2005 Church official, yes. My father is a deacon of the church. Springer will contact the preacher today to follow up after my visit and see what he has been told about access. As far as the route - I-35 up to the Highway 77 - Turner Falls/Davis, Oklahoma exit. The camp is approximately 160 acres. Treat it as a circle for all intents and purposes. 2/3 of that circle is fenced, the back 1/3 is closed off by mountains. If you decide to leave the camp over the mountains you would be hiking through fairly rugged country. But if they find their way to Devil's Bathtub (it's up in the mountains and a favorite "trek" for the teenagers who go to summer camp), they could follow the creek bed and end up finding their way to the interstate. That would be quite a trek, especially if you had kiddos with you.

6-9-2005 quote: Originally posted **** What is/are the closest major highway(s) into this area from LA? I'm just wondering if someone could intercept the convoy and mingle with the evacuees along the way at a rest area or similar. Get a feel for the type of people being bussed in. Valhall mentioned that it was about 70 miles to Oklahoma City If I recall so here are the Directions from NOLA to Oklahoma City or about 720 miles. I do not know if the took a direct route or came from some FEMA staging area or even from Texas

6-9-2005 Valhall, I wonder if this is the small amount of money they were talking about?
quote: Patrick Rhode, deputy director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said evacuees would receive debit cards so that they could begin buying necessary personal items. He said the agency was going from shelter to shelter to make sure that evacuees received cards quickly and that the paperwork usually required would be reduced or eliminated. Cash Cards

6-9-2005 We have been told that the refugees coming to this camp are coming straight from some where in Louisiana. Second issue - i'd damned sure hope they aren't going to make these people pay for personal items when we were told yesterday there has been so much materials donated by the members of churches of Oklahoma that FEMA has had to rent two warehouses, one in Ardmore, Oklahoma, and one in Davis, Oklahoma to house the stuff.

6-9-2005 I'm a speechless. This Oklahoma place is in the United States of America isn't it?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg3

There is an interesting thread where an ex Airforce Vet who was trained in disaster relief deployment discusses why deployment didn't happen for four days: Another possibility
She gives some pretty detailed info on what she was trained to do and indicated that disaster relief vehicles and resources were in place close by and could've been easily and quickly deployed to provide relief to the victims, so the excuses on why there was a four day delay in providing disaster relief just don't cut it. I wonder... If the powerplant in N.O. became flooded, wouldn't that introduce "toxins" into the flood waters, causing anyone exposed to the water to be exposed to radiation?

Katrina quote: Originally posted by **** While everyone worries about roo for the Katrina victims, I cant stop thinking that Joel Olstein for example amongst many other TV preachers have gigantic Churches and could very well open them to the victims... of course that would imply loosing a couple of weekend donations.... What you have to remember about Joel Osteen and his ilk is that helping hurricane victims in an organized church way does not correspond to his positive Christianity outlook of the rich christian life. The obvious class distinctions of his message and his blatant appeals for material greed as the reward for being a good christian does not contrast well with the obvious need of the evacuees. Since the class he is trying to endear himself to with the old Gospel of Wealth message have a low tolerance for bad circumstances, it is not profitable for him to help these people. Contrast what Jesus himself says in the Gospel in the Synagouge of Nazerath with this man's pandering to the rich and the rich want-to-be's.

Aid turned away in Colorado V is not alone, seems to be the same here too:
In flood of helping, don’t forget local needs Colorado Springs recently received its first contingent of exhausted, shellshocked Katrina evacuees. I went down to the Red Cross disaster relief headquarters with a basket of clothing, and to offer pedicures to the weary women from New Orleans. But I was met at the door by a uniformed police officer guarding access to the evacuees."

http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1310530&secid=13
I found this on google news
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=8163 I didnt read this entire thread, but I imagine someone from here wrote it. Definiitely check out ...
The link above in ***post. It is a lot of info, the gal doing it is posting as she discovers stuff and having a few problems. That said, her thesis could explain a lot of what Val saw/was told at Falls Creek. Even before I got to that thread, I didn't find the Falls Creek story all that alarming. The medical personel in blue jumpsuits would eventually have included nurses and doctors trained for this kind of thing. Overloading the emergency rooms of nearby Oklahoma towns would have created a much worse problem.

FEMA has to "outsource" some of the work. I really don't see that the State of Oklahoma's response and preparation has been out of line for what the needs, problems and available resources are likely to be. If anything, they seem to have done a pretty good job of having secured living quarters for that number of people and the fire trucks, ambulances, etc ready and waiting. Having lived with too
little police protection, the evacuees might just be very happy to have the extras.

On top of the medical concerns, including the exposure to the toxic waters, there will be many psychological issues. In addition to depression, it is extremely difficult to gauge what kinds of PTSD reactions will start to surface as time elapses. If these people are from the thousands stranded in NO, not those who evacuated before the storm, they probably had inadequate health care going into this. Could a summer camp that has heating, out of an urban area and away from a lot of TV, actually be better for people who need to decompress and pull themselves together? Part of the success of Outward Bound and similar wilderness experiences is due to the healing capacity of mother nature - even for urbanites.

Perhaps the camp command doesn't have the capacity to take 1000 + people to local churches. Um, do the Church members who camp there go to the local churches or have services right where they are? As far as self-deployment in standard disaster situations, it can be a real problem. Even if you have some training, the incidence of well intended rescuers becoming victims is too high. Since this was far in excess of a standard disaster and the Federal response was not happening, a lot of people went on in. In the case of places like Falls Creek, the potential for a few nuts to create significant problems is the adult version of the idiots who had to put their chewing gum under the desks in grade school. And far more dangerous.

The requests for people to bring donated items to central distribution areas saves the trouble of having to take the donated clothes, etc back to the women who volunteer their time to check them. And sometimes cash is needed - to pay for gas, electricity, unusual needs, food. It seems very likely that some of the initial precautions will be relaxed once people have been medically checked out and settled in. If they haven't given up on the site altogether, it will have plenty of scrutiny. I have debated about bringing up what may seem trivial. To me, it is a part of American culture that is very confused. Given all the posts ending with "Pop Tarts are NOT junk food" I have to comment. Maybe it is the definition of junk food that is the problem. Having studied nutrition for 40 years and been in health care for almost 30 (RN), this is frankly an enormous problem that we are paying for in health care costs. And it is only going to get worse.

I went to the aisle with pop tarts yesterday to check the contents - in case they had improved. I only looked at the ones without the frosting. Pop Tarts have calories and a few vitamins from the "enriched" white flour. The calories are from simple carbohydrates and fats. The fat is partially hydrogenated and pop tarts have negligible fiber or protein. The simple carbs drive blood sugar up very rapidly requiring the pancreas to dump a lot of insulin in the blood. After enough years of doing this, you are very likely to become a diabetic. A healthy snack -or meal- is low in simple carbs ( fresh fruit excepted), has a balance of carbs, fats and protein, plus fiber and naturally occuring vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients. A high quality daily vitamin/mineral supplement is now advocated by most nutritionists and doctors.

Want to talk conspiracy? Do you pay attention to the food industry commercials? The one I can't believe is the gal watching a basketball game with her box of Cheese Its. In the dark background you see headlights and her husband enters as she frantically changes the channel to a tear jerker movie, hides the crackers and picks up a kleenix. Hubby decides to go upstairs to watch the game
and she waits for him to be out of earshot to change the channel and bring out the cracker box while the voiceover says to "Get your own box" So, instead of sharing the game together and sharing the box; the couple should practice deception so they can have their own box of junk food?

I would certainly hope that the people in the camps could eventually be allowed to do some cooking - especially what are called "comfort foods". It would also be beneficial for their mental health and some of it could be in the Red Cross or Salvation Army food prep centers.. Teaching their secrets of LA cooking would be another boost to their sanity. These things can be worked out - when they
have absorbed the initial shock and are up to the daily grind of fixing meals. While I have concerns about government secrecy, taken to major excess by this administration, I still try to look at a situation believing that people operate out of good intentions and are usually willing to correct mistakes if not put on the defensive.oh boy i really have to re-read thisHave we determined that all prisoners have been accounted for in NO? It appears that up here in the northeast, the evacuees are being called detainees by some groups in the military.

When Bush asked for everyone in NO to please be identified and he used the $2000 card as an incentive, I wondered if that was part of a cover-up operation to flush out some released fugitives.
Any thoughts on this? Slightly off topic?

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6-9-2005 Surreal

We have people coming to San Jose and San Francisco. I wonder if it will be much the same.
This should be an ATSNN story IMHO.

In regards to quote: navy blue jumpsuits with insignias all over them. You can see them in the left side of this pic. But they were standing all over the place on both sides of the narrow street.
Given the repot of 8 ambulances at the location, those blue uniforms look alot like the EMS style worn by our EMT's so they could have been just out shooting the breeze. Perhaps the paramedics / EMT-1's are going to be the camps medical staff.

How close is the nearest medical facility to this camp?

Two last questions: Did you get a feel for the total numbers of troops there and the State Troopers / Highway Patrol (two different signs on the cars so i assume they are seperate entities)
And was the "If you leave you can never come back" edict posted anywhere? I would love to see one of the briefing papers given to the inmates here and see what exactly FEMA is saying to them. SO much for the land of the free

posted on 6-9-2005 Wow man. Maybe we aren't so paranoid after all. Too bad you didn't get any video, I bet Alex jones would give his left one for this story Valhall. Do you have any media contacts? I could give you some information if you want to take this story and run with it, it might not make clear the mainstream media, but my god you got pure gold there for the independent media.

6-9-2005 Keep in mind that people will be pissed off and order must be kept somehow. The EMS personel are there to 'check' them over.

Notice the word riot was used a lot, do they know something YOU dont?

Anyhow nice gesture and great story. I just feel you are over reacting a bit, my mother lives in a trailer park north of NO and they have brought some 'refugees' there. There has already been a shooting and a bunch of looting. They now have Sheriffs D's full time in the place I grew up

posted on 6-9-2005 Do you think I'm over-reacting to the idea of being bussed hundreds of miles from what I am familiar with to a place miles from civilization and from which I cannot leave?
or
do you think I'm over-reacting to the fact that federal agencies are treating people who have done nothing but lose all they ever owned to a natural disaster as if they are criminals waiting to make their next nefarious move?

6-9-2005 wow, valhall. i'm impressed with your whole family! your story reads like a 'red dawn' type fiction novel. surreal, indeed. i've been expecting this type of dress rehearsal for a long time, as many of us tin-foil hatters have. i feel it's only going to get worse, sadly. goodbye, sweet lady 'america', we barely knew thee.

Another odd note I was told, only cash is being excepted locally, no CC or checks. I am not sure I believe it, but it is kinda spooky.

posted on 6-9-2005 I'm in Baton Rouge and it is true that most businesses are only accepting cash now. Plus, the crime has indeed increased. There's a bunch of homeless people here who sleep in their cars I've noticed.

posted on 6-9-2005 at 02:51 AM Wow this is indeed a great story! You might consider forwarding to NPR news. I have many friends in Europe following the aftermath of Katerina story.
Would you mind if I forward a link?

posted on 6-9-2005 i have to admit i was very skeptical about these so called fema detention camps but boy was i wrong excellant post valhall

6-9-2005 I can't believe what I'm reading. They can't leave?? Why the prison conditions? What have these people done but lose everything? I have suspicions about everything I've heard and seen so far. I notice how quickly people are to turn on 'looters' and 'thugs' as they are now known in the rhetoric of this disaster.

It all sounds too familiar because most of the US went down this path when Iraq and Saddam were turned into the scapegoats for 911. Same way to refer to 'muslims' same disparing breath - same way to refer to them as 'animals' and to distance them from us.

I am so saddened by your post you cannot believe. Do you think it is possible they are being put there because:

1. The people who were in the floods know better than anyone what really happened? When the news was reporting the riots and looting and this and that - a lot of it distorted - what do you think the ordinary people experienced? If they can't phone and they can't go anywhere, will we ever know? Plus how much brain washing will go on in here? Some of the troops on arriving in NOLA said they were surprised it wasn't anything at all like they were told. In terms of chaos I mean - they called it organized chaos. Not the wild sodom and gamora like place before the destruction that we were told it was.

2. These US citizens who have now experienced the worst, will continue to suffer living in these conditions - what do you think their reaction and their loyalty to their governemnt will be like now? There will be anarchy in their minds and I will put this out to everyone - conservative, necon, lefty and right, christian and non... if you were treated like that - like a common criminal and like a basic animal, because of your economic status and your skin colour - would you be standing there pumping your chest up in pride while the flag waves and 'god bless america' plays in the background??? Pretend you have been starved, pushed around, frightened and have lost everything and NOW you get to go to prison with these Fema Bast****.

What country do you pledge your allegiance to? This is not about country anymore, not when your rights are taken away like this. Not when it is obviously about survival of the fittest - each person is on their own. 'That' is America. The idealism of togetherness and the little man equal to the big man is a myth. If you had a car you escaped, if you had money you were evacuated, if you are poor your fate was to lose everything, be thought of as a thug by your country and now you get to go to Camp Big Fun for 5 months.

While some of you ask yourselves what is wrong with this? What is wrong with you?? Can you not see this is wrong? Leave your politics aside and think of it in terms of humanity. If these people were such 'animals' how did New Orleans get by from day to day before the flood? For F*** sake it wasn't alcatraz. This happened for a reason, the looting, the animal desperation, the fear - it causes this. And now those people are paying the consequences for a government who is blaming everyone, especially the poor innocent people. Don't play into this rhetoric too - think for yourselves. V has done a great job showing us, now it is up to you to deny the lies and search the truth about what is happening.

posted on 6-9-2005 Wow man that's really crazy..
I agree with what others said, you should try and take that story to some news sources. I doubt this is the kinda thing FEMA/US Gov would want to be out in the open..but it needs to be! Times are really changing over in the US...

posted on 6-9-2005 Question, Have all the prisoners of the affected areas been accounted for? I have read some stories of prisoners being relocated.. But when the levees broke, was there a hurried effort, just to keep them from drowning? in other words, were cell doors just left open?
I'm asking this in light of Val's story, and the fact that security seems on the verge of paranoia..
Is it possible there are some, or even a lot, of hardcore criminals mixed in woth the refugees, and nobody wants to admit it?

posted on 6-9-2005 Ok, so let me get things straight.

Number 1: the camps were empty and there was not a single disaster victim there - and you took no photos of any

Number 2: everyone going to this camp will have next to no posessions or no posessions at all

Number 3: the police allowed you in, and told you that you couldn't leave different types of food or clothing otherwise somebody sometime might consider that to be unfair (that they didn't get the same "treat" their neighbour had) and you couldn't leave food that needed to be cooked so they wouldn't have to worry about accidental fires burning anything down and causing even more grief for the disaster victims and FEMA's reputation

Number 4: there are some ambulances, and EMTs at the "main cabin"- and you took some photos of them
Number 5: there is a fire truck or two - and you took some photos of them
Number 6: staff onsite had cell phone radios and a local satellite tower for communications - and you took some photos of it
Number 7: there are state police at the entrance - and you took photos of their vehicles

posted on 6-9-2005 I'd just like to say thanks to Val for this excellent and personal account of a small piece of this ongoing tragedy; a tragedy which will, for those directly affected by it, continue for months and years after the waters have all dried up and the bodies of those lost are put to
rest. Let's not do the usual human thing and forget about those still living once the images and the stories have also dried up from the media. Perhaps we could use this thread to post periodic updates on the treatment and situation of those placed in camps. Is the calm we now see merely the real "eye of the storm" as far as this entire disaster is concerned?

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The photos on this site for this story are incredible and spooky, how many other Concentration "Camps" does FEMA have in remote locations. Look up FEMA Camps in Search Engine and on Alex Jones InfoWars and http://www.PrisonPlanet.com

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Vallhall posted on 6-9-2005
I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp

I'm extremely depressed to report that things seem to only be getting sadder concerning the people so devastatingly affected by Katrina last week. Two car loads of us headed over to Falls Creek, a youth camp for Southern Baptist churches in Oklahoma that agreed to have its facilities used to house Louisiana refugees. I'm afraid the camp is not going to be used as the kind people of the churches who own the cabins believe it was going to be used.

Jesse Jackson was right when he said "refugees" was not the appropriate word for the poor souls dislocated due to Katrina. But he was wrong about why it is not appropriate. It's not appropriate because they are detainees, not refugees.

Falls Creek is like a small town that is closed down about 9 months out of the year. It is made up of cabins that range from small and humble to large and grandiose, according to how much money the church who owns the cabin has. Each cabin has full kitchen facilities, bathrooms and usually have two large bunkrooms - one for women and one for men. The occupancy of the cabins varies according to the church. This past week the Southern Baptist association of Oklahoma offered the facility as a place to house refugees from the Katrina disaster. Each church owning a cabin was then called to find out if they would make their cabin available. Churches across the state agreed.

I started my journey by loading six large trash bags full of clothes in the back of my beetle buggy. I then went to the local Dollar General and purchased various hygiene products, snacks and even a set of dominoes and a deck of cards. I had my daughter take her own shopping cart and go and select her own items that she wanted to take. I told her to imagine herself without anything in the world and then select what she would need to live every day.

We then met up with my elderly parents who had gone to the Dollar Store themselves, and to the grocery store and had spent WAY too much of their limited social security on the venture. But that's okay. We ended up having to take both vehicles on the 150 mile round trip because they were both pretty full. My son showed up and wanted to go. He drove my parents while my daughter and I rode in my car.

To say we all left with excitement would be appropriate. My 78 year old mother is a "fixer". She loves to help people and she absolutely needs some one to dote over. That she was about to be able to help some people who had lost all in their lives had her feeling physically healthier than I've seen her in days. I was glad to get the chance to actively do something other than donate what little
I can to some faceless charity hoping it would get to the people who needed it. I felt glad I could do some small something that might cut through the helplessness I've felt over this situation. Both of my kids were eager to assist.

The only odd thing that occurred prior to setting off happened while I was gassing up in our small town. My daughter was pumping the gas and a lady she knew pulled up to an adjacent pump. My daughter started telling her where we were going and that we were taking things to the refugees. The lady told my daughter that she had been told the Red Cross was not allowing any one to deliver supplies. When I returned to the car from paying for the gas my daughter informed of this. I told her that the Red Cross would not be preventing the members of our church from entering our own cabin, so it really didn't matter. It was at that point we decided to stop back by the house and get my daughter's camera so that she could take pictures if required.

From the moment I heard about Falls Creek being scheduled to receive refugees I had two thoughts run through my mind:

1. What a beautiful place to be able to stay while trying to get your life back in order.
2. What a terrible location to be when you're trying to get your life back in order.

The first thought is because Falls Creek is nestled in the Arbuckle Mountains of south central Oklahoma. One of the more beautiful regions of the state. It would be a peaceful and beautiful place to try to start mending emotionally, and begin to figure what you're going to do next.

The second thought comes because Falls Creek is very secluded and absolutely no where near a population center. The closest route from Falls Creek to a connecting road is three miles on a winding narrow road called "High Road" (It gets that name for two reasons - it's goes over the mountain instead of around it like "Low Road" does, and it's where the teenagers of the area go to party). The road has not a single home on it for over 3 miles. After battling that 3 miles over mountains, you'll find yourself about 5 miles from the nearest town, Davis, Oklahoma, population ca. 2000. This is no place to start a new life.

A few pictures headed toward Falls Creek over High Road to give you a feel of the seclusion. ~All of sudden the landscape changed from picturesque mountainous rural America, to something foreign to me as we approached the rear gate of the camp. Two Oklahoma State Patrol vehicles and four Oklahoma Troopers guarded the gate. We started through and they stopped us.

"Can I help you, ma'am?"
I informed him we're here to deliver supplies to *our church's name* cabin. He stood silent and stared at me. My daughter turned and snapped a picture of his vehicle - very conspicuously.

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I smiled at him and he asked, "Do you know where that cabin is located?"
I informed him I did. He looked at me a bit longer and then said, "Ok" and stepped away from the car. They stopped my parents' vehicle as well, but I assume my son informed them he was with us. They let them pass.We made our way through the narrow streets toward our church's cabin. We noticed that the various church cabins had numbered placards on them that normally weren't thereWe arrived at our cabin and started toting the clothes in. We finally found a group of men upstairs in the dorms trying to do something alien to them - make beds.

They had almost completed the room of bunk beds and told us we could go over to the ladies' dorm room and start on it. We lugged our sacks of clothes back down the stairs. Then we got the first negative message. "You can't bring any clothes in. FEMA has stated they will accept no more clothes. They've had 30 people sorting clothes for days. They don't want anymore." My mind couldn't help but go back over the news articles that have accused FEMA of refusing water in to Jefferson Parrish, or turning fuel away.

We lugged the bags of clothes back to the car. We then turned to bringing in our personal hygiene products. That's when we learned our cabin had been designated a "male only" cabin. Approximately 40 men, ranging from age 13 on up would be housed there. We started resacking the female products and sorted out everything that would be useful for men.

We lugged the bags of female products back to the car. We asked if they knew of a cabin that had been designated for women. The "host" (the hosts are Oklahoma civilians who have been employeed??? by FEMA to reside at each cabin and have already gone through at least one "orientation" meeting conducted by FEMA at "BASE" which is some unknown but repetitively referred location within the camp) told us he believed McAlester cabin was dedicated to females. He then explained there were male, female and family cabins designated.

We then started lugging in our food products. The foods I had purchased were mainly snacks, but my mother - God bless her soul - had gone all out with fresh vegetables, fruits, canned goods, breakfast cereals, rice, and pancake fixings. That's when we got the next message: They will not be able to use the kitchen.

Excuse me? I asked incredulously.

FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people
staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and... it could cause a riot.

It gets worse.

He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."

My mother then asked if the churches would be allowed to come to their cabin and conduct services if the occupants wanted to attend. The response was "No ma'am. You don't understand. Your church no longer owns this building. This building is now owned by FEMA and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. They have it for the next 5 months." This scares my mother who asks "Do you mean they have leased it?" The man replies, "Yes, ma'am...lock, stock and barrel. They have taken over everything that pertains to this facility for the next 5 months."

We then lug all food products requiring cooking back to the car. We start unloading our snacks. Mom appeared to have cornered the market in five counties on pop-tarts and apparently that was an acceptable snack so the guy started shoving them under the counter. He said these would be good to tide people over in between their two meals a day. But he tells my mother she must take all the breakfast cereal back. My mother protests that cereal requires no cooking. "There will be no milk, ma'am." My mother points to the huge industrial double-wide refrigerator the church had just purchased in the past year. "Ma'am, you don't understand... It could cause a riot."

He then points to the vegetables and fruit. "You'll have to take that back as well. It looks like you've got about 10 apples there. I'm about to bring in 40 men. What would we do then?"
My mother, in her sweet, soft voice says, "Quarter them?"
"No ma'am. FEMA said no...

It could cause a riot. You don't understand the type of people that are about to come here...."

I turn and walk out of the room...lugging all the healthy stuff back to the car. My son later tells me the man went on to say "We've already been told of teenage girls delivering fetuses on buses." My son steps toward him and says "That's because they've almost been starved to death, haven't had a decent place to get a good night's sleep, and their bodies can't keep a baby alive. I'm not sure that's any evidence some one should be using to show these are 'bad people'."

We then went to the second dorm room and made up beds. When we got through and were headed outside the host says to me and my daughter, "How did you get in here?" I told him we came in through the back gate. He replies, "No, HOW did you get in here? No one who doesn't have credentials showing is supposed to be in here." (I had noticed all the "hosts" had two or three badges hanging around their necks.) I told him it might have had something to do with the fact my daughter was snapping pictures of the OHP presence at the gate. He then tells us, "Well, starting in the morning NO ONE comes in. So if you have further goods you want to donate you will have
to take them to your local church. They will collect them until they have a full load and then bring them to the front gate."

Me and my two kids then walked over the hill to the camp's amphitheater.
First - just another OHP car...

The amphitheater is full of clothes (but I'm not sure I'm seeing enough for 5000 people for 5 months). But there was more...an Oklahoma Department of Safety truck and a military vehicle and a cell phone tower (which fretling didn't get a pic of...grrr). Falls Creek, because it sits in a "bowl" surrounded by mountains, is notorious for no cell phone coverage.

There were buses coming in the front gate at about a rate of 1 every 2 or 3 minutes. We could hear them below us as we walked backup the hill. We could also see their white tops through the trees. We figured these were busloads of refugees arriving, but we never saw these buses in the camps, nor were any refugees visible at the camp while we were there.

We then loaded back into our vehicles and headed toward the cabin we had been told was for women so that we could off-load our appropriate products. When we arrived there was no one in the cabin so we preceded to unload our vehicles and take the merchandise in to the cabin. A horde of "hosts" who had been hovering at a nearby cabin head toward us.
"Can we help you?"
I explained to them what we were doing.

"Uhh... you can't just leave donated goods in the cabins. FEMA has stated they want all supplies to go to their central warehouse. They said they have had far too many supplies come in and they need to handle them. You can't leave ANY clothes." I just stared at them.

One chubby-checker, after several moments of pregnant pause broken only by the sound of my 82 year old dad continuing to shuffle boxes out of the back of his car (GO DAD!), says "I'll call "BASE" and confirm what should happen here." I continue to stare.

He pounds out the number on his cell phone and when some one picks up he chickens out and just asks "I need to verify that cabin 11 is a female only facility." When he hangs up he says that it is and I respond, "Well, good, we'll get on with this then." It's at that point my son pulls me aside and says, "Every damned one of them have the same phone. That's what the comm tower is for at the
amphitheater. Now we know how FEMA runs through billions, they've given every one of these people a Cingular phone when walkie-talkies would have worked just fine."

We off-load our goods into the McAlester cabin. Fretling takes pics of the buckets of toys that have been donated by citizens for the kiddos coming this way. And a dorm room:We then start out of the camp. I tell my daughter I want to go out the main gate this time. Here is what we saw on
the way out: Just another OHP car...

This cabin was apparently commandeered by a group of people in navy blue jumpsuits with insignias all over them. You can see them in the left side of this pic. But they were standing all over the place on both sides of the narrow street. This is just one OHP car in a long line of them parked along the side of the street.

Three firetrucks parked along the river. Talk about a surreal moment...troops (unknown if Regular or National Guard) have taken up residency in the Durant First Baptist Church cabin very near the main gate of the camp.

Two things to point out in the pictures above...we passed a row of about 6 or 8 ambulances parked in the street just in front of the troop cabin, and the large tent on the top of the hill...we have no idea what that is for.

Main gate completely blocked by OHP vehicles as we approach: More OHP vehicles parked at the rear gate as we pass by:

Now I'm starting to understand why it doesn't matter that this location is not conducive to starting a new life.

FEMA Detainee Camp isolated in Falls Creek - story I Just Got Back From Fema Detainee Camp on AboveTopSecrets.com

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The Blackwell Mercenaries, the 82nd Airborne, the illegally armed Mexican troops in NOLA call out for investigative reporting by the Mainstream Media and if you could explore these issues on your show would be of great benefit to the many people who are asking questions and people who should know about decisions being made that are not in the best interests of the American people.

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Thank you for caring about human life and doing something to really help.
God Bless,

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~Sometimes you need more than faith, you need action. Positive, compassionate action. The world has always been evil. I don't believe that God in is anyway active in our affairs - he neither protects or punishes - he just creates.

We can pray but we need more - we must act. One antidote to evil is communication. Hence, my previous observation. If we truly care, we have to reach out and touch those who are isolated and suffering great injustices. Then they are no longer alone or afraid.

~In the meantime, I have hunted for ways to find a way to write letters to these inmates - no luck so far. So I wrote a note to Anderson Cooper and PBS to keep an eye on this story. It's important especially when one takes into account the story of the BLACKWATCH SS Troops now stationed in NO!

~btw. You are wise and compassionate. We must take care of our own. But no, our administration is too busy worrying about nuclear weapons to take any notion for human being. God have mercy.

~I've been to Falls Creek, as a teenager, although I am not and have never been Baptist. It's impossible to get anything in or out of there unless you're part mountain goat, or a very determined teenager, who'll go through anything to get what you're after ...

It's likely, from what I'm hearing from folks at home, that communications are being censored. You may try, but don't hold your breath.

~I have spent this Lord's Day reading the news...and I want to weep. And I am scared. What kind of world are we living in? Has it always been this evil? Well, for those without a daddy. What does the scripture say? The Lord will protect the widow and the fatherless...

What a time to have to rely on one's faith. These poor souls is right. I am in shock at these times. Utter shock. God help. ~

COMMUNICATIONS on Sep 9, 2005 6:45 AM
Isolation. That is an excellent move by FEMA. So what I would like to know is if the local churches could set up a webpage so we can send snail-mail letters to these poor inmates. If they won't let these people out then it is our responsibility to let them know that they are not forgotten. That for the next 5 or 6 months, we are thinking of them. We have to set up a communications link between these innocent inmates and ourselves. IS THIS POSSIBLE?

~Yes, there are - I'm originally from Oklahoma, so called the folks back home, including relatives in the military.. This is authentic, and the camp's on lockdown. The people being taken there are, essentially, interned, without charge, for the next 5 months, or, I hear (and I'm PRAYING it's a joke), until they sign up for the National Guard so they can be shipped to Iraq. ~~~~~~

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Iraq Revelations Analyzed by a CIA MKULTRA Survivor - Part 1
Kathleen A. Sullivan - Copyright 2004
Part 2 Part 3 5/17/04

Part 1 will review common responses to news about the abuse of Iraqi prisoners and detainees, and will present information about how the abuse and torture recently experienced by the prisoners and detainees is similar to abuse and torture reportedly experienced by North American survivors of government mind-control experiments and forced enslavement.

Since April 2004, the U.S. has been emotionally and politically slammed by deeply disturbing reports that are still emerging from Iraq and Afghanistan. We have learned about, and perhaps seen pictures of, sadistic and sexual acts perpetrated against Iraqi prisoners of war by military police, members of our military and intelligence communities, and Pentagon-contracted intelligence interrogators.

Although the White House administration and Pentagon appear to be working feverishly to perform emergency damage control, I don’t think their efforts will be sufficient. The damage to the credibility of our government and to President Bush’s administration has been enormous, as even more disturbing information continues to emerge. Due to these revelations, the international community’s and Iraqi people’s fragile trust in the U.S. government has been so suddenly and severely damaged that years may elapse before the foundation of that trust can again be solidly built.

While reviewing recent media reports of interviews with U.S. citizens and soldiers about these disturbing revelations, I’ve noticed a number of common knee-jerk responses, as well as blatant attempts to misinform and confuse the public:

Most citizens’ and politicians’ deep, collective shame and horror Requests from both citizens and politicians to the media, to stop presenting information and pictures of the atrocities Similar requests from soldiers stationed in Iraq, who fear that more disclosures will put them at increased risk Shaming, verbal attacks against the media by Vice President Cheney and other leaders, for making the pictures available to the public Shaming, verbal attacks against the public by Vice President Cheney and other leaders, for desiring to see the pictures Claims by politicians that the pictures shouldn’t be shown because they are "pornographic" or because their release violates the Geneva Convention Claims by other politicians that the public should be permitted to see the pictures because the crimes committed against Iraqi prisoners violated the Geneva Convention Focusing blame and outrage onto the victims, insisting that they deserved abuse and torment because they are prisoners/they are the enemy/they did bad things.

Excusing the atrocities committed by our people because after all, this is war and the prisoners are our enemy Expressions of outrage accompanied by demands that the responsibility for these crimes be fully investigated "all the way to the top" Legitimizing and excusing the atrocities committed by "our people" since "the Iraqis did much worse to us" Claims by politicians and others that "their" atrocities are the norm for their culture, while our atrocities are a disowned aberration Expressions of fear that we will be retaliated against by Iraqis and their close associates (this has already occurred) Expressions of concern that a cover-up is already in place, despite promises by President Bush and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld of full disclosure Demands for public apologies from our leaders to the Iraqis Demands that we must not apologize under any circumstances – "they are the enemy," "they did worse," etc.

A mass movement, seemingly instigated the Pentagon and Bush administration, insists on punishing and scapegoating a chosen few (low-level military police officers) while distracting our attention away from the crimes of others who were, at the minimum, equally complicit Citizens are turning off their radios and refusing to read any more newspapers until the revelations ease Politicians and citizens deny and minimize the scope of abuse and the number of perpetrators, ignoring reports from the International Red Cross and other human rights organizations Our attention is focused on the crimes committed by "a small group of soldiers" in a part of one prison in Iraq, distracting our attention away from a multitude of crimes, including murder, committed in other facilities.

The desire to believe claims made by our President and Secretary of Defense, that they didn’t read the reports and/or see the pictures, and therefore didn’t understand how bad the atrocities were An equally naïve desire to believe that our leaders didn’t know about - and/or didn’t give permission - for these and similar crimes to be committed against Iraqi prisoners Military and political leaders benignly describe sleep, water, and food deprivation; physical torture; forced nakedness; sensory
deprivation; forced isolation; psychological torture, and worse as "coercion" Soldiers and civilians insist that they, if put in the same circumstances, would never have abused the prisoners.

Many survivors of the CIA’s infamous MKULTRA (mind-control experimentation/slavery) program and other related covert programs are experiencing an additional set of reactions. Many of the survivors are experiencing wave after wave of devastating emotions and flashbacks after each new revelation is made public. What was done to the prisoners is too similar to what was perpetrated against most of us.

Some of us were forcibly traumatized from early childhood all the way into our adult years. Some "only" experienced the traumas as either children or adults. Some were victimized purely; others like me were additionally forced to perpetrate horrific crimes against other victims. Regardless of the extent of our traumas, however, we can relate - to some degree - to the Iraqi prisoners, the MPs, or both.

For over a decade, the MKULTRA survivor community and survivors of related traumas – including ritualized torture and abuse - have reported the same forms of abuse and more.
My autobiography, Unshackled: A Survivor’s Story of Mind Control, has recently been published by Dandelion Books. Several other books by survivors of traumatic CIA mind-control experimentation and enslavement have been published.

They include Carol Rutz’s A Nation Betrayed: The Chilling True Story of Secret Cold War Experiments Performed on Our Children and Other Innocent People, and Cheryl and Lynn Hersha’s Secret Weapons: 2 Sisters’ Terrifying True Story of Sex, Spies and Sabotage.

More information can be found at the following websites:
ACHES-MC http://www.aches-mc.org

North American Freedom Foundation (NAFF)http://naffoundation.org

Persons Against Ritual Abuse Torture and Other Acts of Non-Political Torture http://www.ritualabusetorture.org

SMARThttp://members.aol.com/SMARTNEWS/index2.html

Survivorshiphttp://www.survivorship.org

Like trying to follow a seemingly endless thread of yarn, perusing these websites can expose you to a seemingly endless supply of information about similar crimes that have been committed against North American citizens – crimes that have yet to be widely publicized on the media or acknowledged by our governments. Because this information is still largely suppressed, it can be
overwhelming to learn about at first. Most people find it best to look at a little bit of it at a time.
Sometimes, suppression of information is the norm in North America.

The public is rarely told what isn’t (at least in the short-term) considered to be in the best interest of our governments. They will most likely continue to deny our histories and claims, labeling us –
through CIA-founded front organizations like the False Memory Syndrome Foundation - "fabricators," "delusional," and much worse.

Unlike the Iraqi prisoners, we do not yet have heroes who witnessed our abuse and then chose to risk their careers to provide proofs in our behalf. Because our experiences were much more covert and immoral; because these crimes were committed by government personnel, including persons working within or contracted by the CIA and the Pentagon; because our current President’s father, a former President, was a CIA director; and because some survivors were victimized in early childhood (a horrific situation all of its own), I am convinced that our governments’ leaders simply will not allow us to be believed and supported.

The stain that our revelations – if accepted – would place upon our country’s honor would go much deeper and more devastatingly than the recent Iraqi revelations. And yet, because we are survivors and because many of us still are in danger of being harmed again, we cannot afford to stop speaking out.

Our stories are no less real than those of the Iraqi prisoners. Unfortunately, we are less likely to be believed by fellow citizens because our abuse was perpetrated – most often – by government employees within the borders of our countries. We were innocent civilians, not war prisoners. And what was done to most of us was much worse than what most of the Iraqi prisoners have unfortunately endured. (This is like comparing apples and oranges; both experiences are solid and real and directly related. Therefore, such a comparison is really a matter of the degree of trauma and torture and sexual degradation experienced by each survivor. Regardless of the degree, however, trauma is trauma. Every trauma is horrible, whether it lasts a day or a year or for decades.)

The psychological scars and other results of the traumas we’ve endured are just as legitimate and consistent as the visible and invisible scars of the Iraqi prisoners, who will carry them in their minds and bodies – some, for the remainder of their lives. Deep humiliation and terror and rage cannot be conveniently erased when one is freed by ones tormentors.

As you read North American survivors’ reports, I challenge you to compare them with the reports of prisoner abuse and murder that are coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember, we made our stories public long before these revelations began emerging from Iraq. As you compare the reports, you may be horrified to discover that this kind of sadistic abuse is not an aberration. It is, in fact, historical and ongoing.

Why do some of us risk our lives and safety to tell you what was done to us? And why should you care? This is my personal answer, based on the decades that I spent in the darkest, most twisted recesses of humanity: until human sadism is exposed in all its ugliness, with no roots left hidden to grow back, it will continue to thrive in the secretive darkness – from one location to the next, to the next. As we’ve recently experienced, no one will remain untouched by its evil until it is completely rooted out and exposed.

This is the end of Part 1 of my series of analytical articles about the recent Iraqi revelations. I hope that my next article, Part 2, will help some of you to understand at least several reasons why our military police and other complicit individuals perpetrated "bizarre" crimes against the Iraqi prisoners.

Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Top of Page Home Page

~http://www.kathleen-sullivan.com/Iraq%20Revelations%20Part%201.htm

Newsmax and Propaganda for The New World Order

2005-10-07T11:06:00.000-07:00

Also watch the news offered in Newsmax for some of the best propaganda of the NWO. Then read between the lines to get clues about the real purpose of the propaganda. The end game is getting closer and we can ill afford to be distracted.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0408,schanberg,51276,1.html

Goldstein uses the truth to spin still another step in the Illuminati agenda--The New World Order of the Hidden Hand

Air Pacifica link this is Mr. Anybody But Bush, couldn't we do better than that.
How ill Bush is Cheney held together by batteries, still evil..

''Scary, scary John Kerry''--Someone is making sure that voters must choose between two evils.
The fallacy of the 'anybody but Bush' movement

Aim is to get rid of the Middle Class and Working Class and have only slaves and an elite of rulers - they want to kill at least 5 billion people and that includes Americans and that includes you and your children because you are not one of the elite which you are born into like royalty and therefore barbarians and it is considered honorable to lie and cheat and murder barbarians and that means almost everyone. Wake up. Read, think and learn how to fight this satanic group.

Here's something to send out to your neoconservative buddies. We aren't fooled by Kerry. We know that he's an Illuminati agent six ways from Sunday. Since the stool is being kicked out from under Bush to let him twist slowly in the wind as another great Republican once put it, and the sudden upturn of Kerry's candidacy, it is more and more obvious that Kerry, the Skull and Bonesman, CFR, Tweedledee to Tweedledum, is the likely choice of the Hidden Powers this election.

More than half the nation will cheer and go back to sleep so the final touches can be put in place to announce the New World Order, the draft, and the new wars on Syria and Iran.

People are waking up after the gross and obvious theft of the election from Kerry and I and others have learned more than wanted and can barely stand about the real objectives of The New World Order. Knowledge is power, use it to save yourselves, your children and grandchildren and your immortal soul. When Jesus comes you do not want to be supporting the continuation of The Third Reich and turning the soldiers they don't murder by not giving enough food, training and armor into SS Gestapo.

Look at the very real Nazi connections of the people surrounding Bush. Karl Rove's father built one of the death camps as an SS officer. Read Infowars as to how much Arnold, whose father volunteered to be SS officer, showed early in his career journalists his long playing records of hitler's speeches and marched around the house to the Nazi music and stated that the person he most admired was hitler.

Look at the aims of the Third Reich and the things the bush regime is doing.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0408,schanberg,51276,1.html
BCCI banking scandal http://www.Physics911.org www.halliburtonwatch.org www.businessiraq.com www.
http://www.KeepMedia.com

The play about war profiteers All My Children Clifford Odets
http://catholicsfordemocracy.org/
http://www.democrats.org/contrasts/sec.html
http://www.democrats.org/wvc/take5

Poll Finds Americans Uninformed on Bush, Kerry Issues http://www.RealVoices.org
By WILL LESTER, AP''Military Families Speak Out'' www.mfso.org ''Military Moms with a Mission,'

HISTORY OF SECRET EXPERIMENTATION ON UNITED STATES CITIZENS

2005-10-04T10:16:00.000-07:00

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/experimentation.html

HISTORY OF SECRET EXPERIMENTATION ON UNITED STATES CITIZENS

1931 Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.

1932 The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.

1935 The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occured within poverty-striken black populations.

1940 Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.

1942 Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty.

1943 In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD. 1944 U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite.

1945 Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States.

1945 "Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs.

1946 Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word "experiments" to "investigations" or "observations" whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation's veteran's hospitals. 1947 Colonel E.E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Comission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects.

1947 The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.

1950 Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates.

1950 In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Franciso. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

1951 Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed. 1953 U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.

1953 Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.

1953 CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings.

1955 The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.

1955 Army Chemical Corps continues LSD research, studying its potential use as a chemical incapacitating agent. More than 1,000 Americans participate in the tests, which continue until 1958.

1956 U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.

1958 LSD is tested on 95 volunteers at the Army's Chemical Warfare Laboratories for its effect on intelligence.

1960 The Army Assistant Chief-of-Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) authorizes field testing of LSD in Europe and the Far East. Testing of the european population is code named Project THIRD CHANCE; testing of the Asian population is code named Project DERBY HAT.

1965 CIA and Department of Defense begin Project MKSEARCH, a program to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior through the use of mind-altering drugs. 1965 Prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia are subjected to dioxin, the highly toxic chemical component of Agent Orange used in Viet Nam. The men are later studied for development of cancer, which indicates that Agent Orange had been a suspected carcinogen all along.

1966 CIA initiates Project MKOFTEN, a program to test the toxicological effects of certain drugs on humans and animals.

1966 U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.

1967 CIA and Department of Defense implement Project MKNAOMI, successor to MKULTRA and designed to maintain, stockpile and test biological and chemical weapons.

1968 CIA experiments with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting chemicals into the water supply of the FDA in Washington, D.C.

1969 Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.

1970 Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R. 15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army's top secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like retroviruses.

1970 United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.

1975 The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).

1977 Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

1978 Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.

1981 First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine.

1985 According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.

1986 According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists.

1986 A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.

1987 Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.

1990 More than 1500 six-month old black and hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.

1994 With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.

1994 Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War.

1995 U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research.

1995 Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections. 1996 Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents. 1997 Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.

Utah county indicate excessive force used by Sheriff and SWAT officer

2005-10-04T10:08:00.000-07:00

by American who has HAD ENOUGH Thursday August 25, 2005
getting closer and closer still... to civil war.

~~Many eyewitness accounts indicate that officers singled out party goers attempting to document the events on camcorders, cameras and camera phones. Victims have claimed that officers knocked cameras out of the hands of the owner, even confiscating some. Luckily, one video has surfaced, and is quickly spreading across the internet, as well as being featured by at least one local news station.

The video clearly displays a large number of officers dressed in full camouflage fatigues, some brandishing rifles. In the higher quality version of the video, which includes sound, it is apparent that the use of a taser was employed. While the video is somewhat unclear at times, the viewer can plainly see an officer atop a young girl fully subdued on the ground on her stomach; he swings on her at least twice, as more officers rush forward to manhandle the girl. It is clear that many others were subdued using similar levels of force.
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to the press after the military refused to do anything, he must have kept a copy to protect himself.

Seymour Hersh when he wrote about these photos and the shrieks of children being sodomized also wrote about a mother who had contacted him who was concerned for her daughter who had been at Abu Ghraib when this was taking place.

The daughter started getting more and more black tatoos and then left her husband, and I think her child, moved to another city and refused to have anything to do with her family. Her mother, after her daughter refused to talk to her when she came to visit, got the landlord to let her in and she looked on her daughters computer that the mother had bought for her daughter to watch movies when she was stationed in Iraq.

Hersh said that the mother saw the pictures which no mother should see or daughter either. Apparently the daughter was so haunted by what happened that she had the photos on her computer with easy access.

This is very puzzling, esp. when the police who beat up those teenagers at the Rave in Utah, though they went after those with camcorders first, there was one video that is now ciculating on line of the police coming in with riot gear and the fact that people were having fun, had all their permits in order and many girls were singled out by the police for savage beatings and some of it is on tape along with the use of tasers.

Police Raid Outdoor Music Event

Numerous accounts from attendees of an outdoor electronic music event in Utah county indicate excessive force used by Sherrif and SWAT officers. A video has surfaced depicting officers dressed in full military fatigues raiding the main stage of the event. Local news stations side with police in initial reports.

Attendees of the outdoor electronic music event dubbed "Versus II" taking place the evening of Saturday, August 20th in the Diamond Fork area of Spanish Fork Canyon in Utah County arrived at the event with confidence that the concert organizers had obtained the proper permits and legal clearance to hold the event.

Personal accounts available at the local electronic community websiteutrave.org paint a scene of police brutality and mayhem, many accounts bearing eyewitness to the forceful arrest of young girls.

http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/11330.php https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=269&s_scr=actionemail&s_subsrc=top4&JServSessionIdr010=2l3gv6r0n1.app24a

http://tinyurl.com/day2x

Start reading up on the Resistance to the Nazis.

2005-10-04T10:04:00.000-07:00

~It is also the reason for Gitmo, Ted Rall wrote that THE STENCH OF DAUCHAU IS OVER GUANTANAMO BAY and that Dauchau started out as torture training and to harden young men enough to torture innocents but eventually became a death camp.

Thom Hartman asked George Galloway a month or so after his Oil For Food Scandal appearance where he spoke the truth to the only two members of that shameful charade showed up because they knew the evidence against Galloway was "fixed" - about the death chambers at Gitmo and Galloway sounding very discouraged said they get away with what they want.

A few weeks ago a link to a site with some earlier torture pictures showed a dramatic photo of a noose in the foreground with a trapdoor and several men against the wall in orange jumpsuits. Someone wrote that the sick Rumsfeld was only interested in the death chambers when he went to Iraq so I guess they are executing people not just beating them to death. Start reading up on the Resistance to the Nazis.

There is a website called Resistance.
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http://www.breitbart.com/index.cgi?feed=reuters&cat=breaking
http://tinyurl.com/a45ng
http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/

~Corbin interviews John Conner, author of The Resistance Manifesto, a book that tackles the personalities and the agendas of the New World Order. John exposes the Luciferian plot.
http://www.rinf.com/

~In light of what occurred in Utah last week. People should be prepared to defend their right to peacefully assemble. Those planning to attend Burning Man this month should organize to defend the festival from this kind of attack

~Fintan Dunne discusses the use of propaganda in the current terror campaign and its benefits
toward G8 goals and the propagation of a military state in the UK and beyond. Also discusses controversial "CIA Internet Fakes" story. Part One & Part Two Police State III: Total EnslavementConspiracy: Source The greatest evil that mankind has ever faced is among us: a scientifically crafted global dictatorship sworn to enslave every man, woman and child. The United States government, at all levels has fallen under the control of the desperately wicked New World Order clan. The events of Sept 11th mark the initiation of the final sick push of the illuminati to consolidate their one world order and transform earth into a prison planet.

The Age of Terror: In the Name of the State Media: Source

The film reveals the extent of American backing of the Contras in Nicaragua and the notorious 'School of the Americas'. Another aspect of terrorism is illustrated by the terrible human tragedies resulting from Argentina's Dirty War of the late 70s and 80s. In concluding, the film briefly returns to the Middle East.

Fascism Comes to the US: The Utah Rave Video
News: Source This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed.
They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had licensed security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.

http://www.rinf.com/news/aug-05/78.html

Maybe one of the reasons for Iraq? To generate battle-hardened troops used to

2005-10-04T09:58:00.000-07:00

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index809.htm

Not a flame But I have to say that many of the "looters" are people desparately looking for food,
water, and other basic necessitites. These people will likely be shot dead by National Guardsmen. That is horrific.

I'm not excusing people who are just stealing to be stealing, but there are many, many "looters" who are just trying to stay alive. Now we're going to shoot them. It's unthinkable.

Bush seems to have a single solution for all problems doesn't he? Thu Sep-01-05
The rich and powerful kill the poor and dispossessed. Thu Sep-01-05

NO needs buses not bullets The Governor needs to close all schools in Louisiana for a week and get the damn school buses down to NO to get the people out.

No one is organizing this effort. They have 30,000 people in the Superdome to move to Houston and San Antonio. A school bus holds 50 people. They need buses NOW. She has buses. She isn't using them right.

She needs to get food and water (and baby formula) airlifted to the Superdome and the people stranded on the roads. Two infants died today in the Superdome.

~~I saw those guys in a documentary on The Sundance Channel They've gotta be pissed about the way they've been treated by Bush. They were green, scared, poorly disciplined and under-equipped when they went to Iraq.

Shoot to kill, troops told - Sydney Morning Herald Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 10:45 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/shoot-to-kill-troops-t...

As thousands wait to be rescued or receive aid, authorities have issued a "shoot to kill" order in a bid to stem the mounting lawlessness in the hurricane-ravaged city of New Orleans. Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco said a detachment of 300 National Guard troops, who have served in Iraq, had been authorised to shoot to kill "hoodlums" in the hurricane-ravaged city of New Orleans.

"Three hundred of the Arkansas National Guard have landed in the city of New Orleans," Blanco said. "These troops are fresh back from Iraq, well-trained, experienced, battle-tested and under my orders to restore order in the streets," Blanco said."They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded.

~This method didn't work in Iraq. It ain't going to work here either n/t

~No solution only Bullets from Bush...have a hammer and all the world looks like a nail to this so-called leader Thu Sep-01-05 10:30 PM

Maybe one of the reasons for Iraq? To generate battle-hardened troops used to urban warfare?
Surely not...

~oh my god. The Killing of our own starts

What is Mount Weather's Ultimate Purpose?

2005-10-04T09:53:00.000-07:00

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/mountweather.html

Who Pays for All This, and how Much?

At the same time tens of millions of dollars were being spent on maintaining and upgrading the complex to protect several hundred designated officials in the event of nuclear attack, the US government drastically reduced its emphasis on war preparedness for US citizens. A 1989 FEMA brochure entitled "Are You Prepared?" suggests that citizens construct makeshift fallout shelters using use furniture, books, and other common household items.

Officially, Mount Weather (and its budget) does not exist. FEMA refuses to answer inquiries about the facility; as FEMA spokesman Bob Blair told Time magazine, "I'll be glad to tell you all about it, but I'd have to kill you afterward."

We don't know how much Mount Weather has cost over the years, but of course, American taxpayers bear this burden as well. A Christian Science Monitor article entitled "Study Reveals US Has Spent $4 Trillion on Nukes Since '45" reports that "The government devoted at least $12 billion to civil defense projects to protect the population from nuclear attack. But billions of dollars more were secretly spent on vast underground complexes from which civilian and military officials would run the government during a nuclear war."

What is Mount Weather's Ultimate Purpose?

We have seen that Mount Weather contains an unelected, parallel "government-in-waiting" ready to take control of the United States upon word from the President or his successor. The facility contains a massive database of information on U.S. citizens which is operated with no safeguards or accountability.

Ostensibly, this expensive hub of America's network of sub-terran bases was designed to preserve our form of government during a nuclear holocaust. But Mount Weather is not simply a Cold War holdover. Information on command and control strategies during national emergencies have largely been withheld from the American public. Executive Order 11051, signed by President Kennedy on October 2, 1962, states that "national preparedness must be achieved as may be required to deal with increases in international tension with limited war, or with general war including attack upon the United States."

However, Executive Order 11490, drafted by Gen. George A Lincoln (former director for the Office of Emergency Preparedness, the FPA's predecessor) and signed by President Nixon in October 1969, tells a different story. EO 11490, which superceded Kennedy's EO 11051, begins, "Whereas our national security is dependent upon our ability to assure continuity of government, at every level, in any national emergency type situation that might conceivably confront the nation..."

~Like the enigmatic Area 51 in Nevada, the Federal government wants to keep the Mount Weather facility buried in secrecy. Public awareness of this place and its purpose would raise serious questions about who holds the reins of power in this country. The Constitution states that those reins lie in the hands of the people, but the very existence of Mount Weather indicates an entirely different reality. As long as Mount Weather exists, these questions will remain. Mount Weather's Russian Twin.

On April 16, 1996, the New York Times reported on a mysterious military base being constructed in Russia: "In a secret project reminiscent of the chilliest days of the Cold War, Russia is building a mammoth underground military complex in the Ural Mountains, Western officials and Russian witnesses say.

Hidden inside Yamantau mountain in the Beloretsk area of the southern Urals, the project involved the creation of a huge complex, served by a railroad, a highway, and thousands of workers."

The New York Times article quotes Russian officials describing the underground compound variously as a mining site, a repository for Russian treasures, a food storage area, and a bunker for Russia's leaders in case of nuclear war.

~~There is already one organasatiton that is mapping the internet. Pop over to www.netdimes.com and have a look.~~~
http://critical-mass.info/police.html

it is far better and far cheaper to have a bamboozled populace that thinks it

2005-10-02T07:39:00.000-07:00

For the most part I agree, and I am highly cynical too.

My point though is that while "the country is run by the rich and the corporate for their own benefit" as you say, they must maintain the pretense of a representative government responsive to the will of the people. That pretense is fading quickly into the transparency of naked oligarchic/corporate rule. While Joe Sixpack does not see this and the devotees of Bushwa don't care as long as "their man" is at the helm, many common Americans are beginning to see that the emperor has no clothes. The ruling oligarchs are at risk of losing "the consent of the governed" and this is not a trivial thing to lose since it must be replaced by outright political suppression/police
state tactics of some sort. This is inefficient, and while I think it will be employed if needed, it is far better and far cheaper to have a bamboozled populace that thinks it is free and that thinks that it lives in a democracy.

Look up FISA - shocked to learn about the prelude to the "Patriot's" Act

2005-10-02T07:35:00.000-07:00

Look up FISA - shocked to learn about the prelude to the "Patriot's" Act

To Hon. Sen Breaux From Dept of the Army letter on behalf of Ms. Katy D. McDaniel concering the Civilian Inmate Labor Program

March 24, 1997REP BILL HEFNER TO MR. ZELL SETZER

Enclosed is the information you requested pertainin to the Army's policy and guidance for establishing CIVILIAN INMATE LABOR PROGRAM and CIVILIAN PRISON CAMPS on ARMY installations. This information has not yet been published (it is currently at the printers), however it has been FUNDED, STAFFED and DOES reflect CURRENT ARMY POLICY.

http://multinationalmonitor.org/mm2002/02march/march02corp3.html~~~~~
http://progressive.org/?q=mag_mc070905

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California National Guard Story Grows StrangerMatthew RothschildJuly 07, 2005
The story about the California National Guard’s surveillance of a Mother’s Day protest gets curiouser and curiouser.

The protest was co-sponsored by CodePink, the Peninsula Raging Grannies, and Gold Star Families for Peace. Internal Guard e-mails, obtained by the San Jose Mercury News, revealed that a new intelligence unit within the Guard was monitoring the demonstration.

State Senator Joseph L. Dunn, who chairs the subcommittee that governs the Guard’s budget, had never been informed of the existence of this unit, he says. Once he read about it, he demanded all documents that related to it, and to the surveillance of the Mother’s Day protest.

After he made that request, “the California National Guard erased the computer hard drive of a retiring colonel who oversaw the fledgling project,” according to Mercury News reporter Dion Nissenbaum.

The Guard’s director of public affairs, Lieutenant Colonel Douglas Hart, says this was routine.
“It is standard operating procedure for us to take computers from people who have left our employ, clean them, and reissue them,” he says.

Senator Dunn isn’t buying that.

“Our inside sources say that excuse is nonsense,” Senator Dunn tells The Progressive, adding that his sources say that such a procedure was not in place for the last 100 departing employees.
In any event, Hart says the computer and its files have now been retrieved. “It is my understanding we have got that computer back, and it appears we will be able to get back any information that was on it,” he says. “We do have that computer secured now.”

But Dunn is not satisfied by that assurance.

“We have our own IT guys,” Senator Dunn says. “I’m not willing to rely on copies of what the Guard claims was on the hard drive. They have not yet agreed to give me access to the hard drive itself.”

Dunn considers this “an obstruction of justice,” he says. “I have under consideration whether to refer this to California’s Attorney General Bill Lockyer.”

One other peculiar thing has come up. On July 5, the Guard met with representatives of CodePink and the Raging Grannies. By most accounts, it was an uneventful meeting, with Colonel Hart being very polite and solicitous, even as the activists asked pointed questions. Then they all had tea and cookies together.

But just before the activists left, a couple of Raging Grannies were disturbed by a poster on the wall of the conference room they were in.

“It was a binder-sized piece of paper that was xeroxed,” says Gail Sredanovic. “It had a picture of General Pershing with a long account of really sadistic things he did to Muslim prisoners. He tied 50 prisoners to execution stakes and in front of them he slaughtered a pig and dipped his bullets in the pig’s blood and killed 49 out of 50 Muslims, who would not be able to get into heaven because they had been contaminated by the pig’s blood. The conclusion was something like, ‘Pershing had no more trouble with the Muslims, and we need somebody like him today.’ ”

(After 9/11, a chain letter on the Internet was circulating with versions of this Pershing story, which may actually be apocryphal. See breakthechain.org or urbanlegends.com.)

Sredanovic was taken aback.

“The idea that this would be posted with a recommendation that we need to do likewise was just over the top in terms of baseness,” she says. “It reflects a mentality of not only condoning killing people but killing them in a sadistic way.”

Ruth Robertson, the other Raging Grannie who saw the poster, says the anti-Muslim aspect of the poster is what really got to her.

Colonel Hart says he’s heard of this General Pershing story. But he says he can’t confirm that the poster hangs in the headquarters of the California National Guard.

“I’m not familiar with this particular poster,” he says. “I’m not saying it’s not up there. I just don’t know.”

2005-09-30T05:40:00.000-07:00

Never Elected Bush Regime Must Go. Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald and His Grand Juries will hand down indictments of Bushco in October!

Early Warnings - New Washington Post Articles

2005-09-30T05:29:00.000-07:00

Washington Post has an incredible new column,
Early Warnings, on Operation Granite and Geyser online with even more incredible comments, sounds like a TruthBlog.

Shadow Government, Martial Law and Locking Americans Out of the Liberty Loop
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/091005Chin/091005chin.htm
http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2005/09/today_in_dc_com.html

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/23/102830/522

Don't want to be alarmist about this, but these three simultaneous items together are really jarring.

Bush Extends Nat'l State of Emergency - Military in Streets of DC

The concept of maintaining continuity of government during and after an emergency is not a new idea. During the Cold War, Congress established elaborate and rather luxurious survival facilities in the mountains of West Virginia.

Presumably, while the American "common folk" would be incinerated, the privileged could survive and guarantee the continuity of government and civilization based on their own criteria for human survival.

It was on this premise that in 1964, the great film Director Stanley Kubrick created the classic "Dr. Strangelove."

According to the Washington Post (March 2002), the operation was re-activated after the 11 September attacks. It is reported to involve officials drawn from all departments, depending on the perceived level of threat (or in the case of Dr. Strangelove... position in government, superior genetics and potential virility for human regeneration).

Sec. 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise toexecute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Editor's Note: The only exemption has to do with nuclear materials (18 U.S.C. 831 (e)
For more information, Click on:

"Shadow Government, Martial Law and Locking Americans out of the Liberty Loop.

" You will discover that the Posse Comitatus Act has already been undermined by 32 CFR 501.4.
Posse Comitatus Violated in WACO Cover-up
http://www.dojgov.net/posse_comitatus_act.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread171939/pg1

http://www.alternet.org/katrina/25320/

http://www.democracynow.org/static/Overkill.shtml
http://otterside.blogspot.com/2005/09/in-nola.html

http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2005/09/rita_shows_new_.html

Those taking part, live and work underground for long spells at secret fortified locations on the East Coast. The core group of federal managers would be drawn from the same bureaucratic minions whose self pre-occupation, negligence and apathy caused the deaths of thousands in the World Trade Center.

The plan for a shadow government has been implemented now because of heightened fears that Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network might obtain portable nuclear weapons.
An unnamed senior official told the Associated Press news agency that while US intelligence had no specific knowledge of such weapons, the risk was great enough to warrant activation of the plan. Dick Cheney's survival may provide legitimacy for constitutional succession, but he can't run the country by himself.

He went on to say that President George W. Bush did not foresee ever needing to turn over government functions to the secret operation, but believed it was prudent to put the plan into action in the light of the war against terrorism and persistent threats of future attacks.

Other officials, who spoke to the Washington Post newspaper, said the back-up government consisted of anything from 70 to 150 people at two principal locations on the East Coast. They are suspected to be living and working in heavily fortified mountain bunkers, carved out under Pennsylvania's Raven Rock Mountain and Weather Mountain in Virginia during the Cold War in the 1950s.

These underground cities are home to government officials who rotate through on three-month stints. Their identities and even their titles are kept secret. As with all budding bureaucracies, it is not unreasonable to assume that this number will increase, as will the funding and lavishness of accommodations.

Once activated for what some call "bunker duty", they live and work underground 24 hours a day, away from their families. No formal mention was made relative to having families join them as accommodations grow larger.

Those deployed for the operation are not allowed to tell anyone where they are going or why. "They're on a 'business trip', that's all," one official was quoted as saying.

Although it does not identify the exact location of these sites, the Washington Post says they make use of geological features to render them highly secure. They are well stocked with food, water, medicine and other supplies and are capable of generating their own power. There are video links, computers and other connections to the unprotected and totally vulnerable civilian populace.
The newspaper said that only the executive branch is represented in the full-time shadow administration. Other branches - such as Congress and the judiciary - have separate continuity plans.

The Bush administration is following a script that was maintained during every administration, up through the Clinton years. But at the Pentagon, at the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and at the new Office of Homeland Security (Now being elevated to a 170,000 strong super Agency), officials have been busy updating those plans, particularly the way they relate to using the military as a kind of domestic national police for "continuity of government." For those unaware of fed-speak, this means the protecting of elected officials and bureaucrats from the rest of us, who are viewed as the potential enemy.

Mission of Mercy: Al Gore brings storm victims to home state

2005-09-27T02:48:00.000-07:00

Mission of Mercy: Gore brings storm victims to home state2005-09-04

by Darren Dunlapof The Daily Times

They were tired, weary and gracious.

Some needed medical care, and others simply wanted a shower. Many were elderly and fragile.
Rob Webb, director of Rural/Metro Ambulance Service in Blount County, said hospital patients and evacuees flown into Knoxville from New Orleans Saturday showed their gratitude as they left the plane.

``I welcomed them to Tennessee, told them they were going to be taken care of in a nice hospital,'' Webb said.

An American Airlines plane arrived at McGhee Tyson Airport at 3:10 p.m. Saturday with about 130 people from New Orleans.

Former Vice President Al Gore was on the plane, helping patients. He did not grant interviews to reporters Saturday.

``My understanding was that he made this happen, that he actually arranged for this aircraft,'' Webb said.

Ninety of the passengers were patients from Mercy Hospital in New Orleans, according to Knox County spokesman Dwight Van de Vate.

A dozen patients were taken to Blount Memorial Hospital. Ten were treated and released. Two were admitted to the hospital. Those not admitted to Blount Memorial Hospital will go to a shelter at Blount Christian Church in Maryville. Three people checked into the shelter on Saturday.
Several patients were diabetic, and some needed dialysis. Many patients had been without medication for ``several days,'' but were ``relatively stable,'' said Dr. Roger Brooksbank, an emergency physician with Team Health at Blount Memorial Hospital.

The remaining 40 passengers were evacuees who needed no ``acute medical care,'' according to Van de Vate. Regardless, all were taken to hospitals in Knoxville, Blount County, Oak Ridge and Jefferson County for evaluation. They were divided among the hospitals to prevent overwhelming them.

There were two children on board who were not ``chaperoned,'' said Van de Vate. The children were taken to East Tennessee Children's Hospital for evaluation. They would likely be placed in foster homes by Tennessee Department of Children's Services. Van de Vate said the shelters are not equipped to take children.

Many of the people not being hospitalized would be taken to a shelter at First Baptist Church in downtown Knoxville, he said.

East Tennessee hospitals and emergency services agencies learned Friday night the plane would be arriving Saturday. Planning began at 9:30 a.m. Saturday.

Initially, the plane was scheduled to arrive at 1:10 p.m. Saturday, but arrived two hours later.

``It was originally supposed to go to Chicago, but it came here,'' Van de Vate said.

Vanderbilt physician Anderson Spicker went with medical crew to New Orleans to pick up the evacuees and patients. He said Saturday evening that they would have returned that night to pick up more people, but the lights at Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport landing strip were not working.

``I want to emphasize how pleased we are, how we trusted this city to get resources together,'' Spicker said. ``We didn't even know what kind of patients we were going to have.''
Kelley Mure, Blount County Homeland Security Director, said the emergency assistance came through a mutual agreement between 16 counties in East Tennessee, including Knox and Blount counties.

``They had a plan in place, they activated it, and it worked,'' Mure said. ``The only glitch was it was `hurry up and wait.'''

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/216543

Refugees from New Orleans behind barbed wire in Utah

2005-09-21T01:37:00.000-07:00

http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2449

Refugees from New Orleans behind barbed wire in Utah
Posted on Wednesday, September 07
Utah's Governor Jon Huntsman has taken in some of the New Orleans refugees, at Camp Williams. Replete with barbed wire, armed soldiers with weapons at ready, police and sheriff with weapons at ready, and hell, they must surely feel right at home. In America yet. What bullshit! I'm not done with this outrage, not by a long shot. I'm actually just getting started.
The Hurricane Katrina insurgency from New Orleans is tucked safely away behind the 6-foot chain link fence with the accommodating barb wire atop chain links. The ONLY entry into Detention Camp Utah is through the highly secure military gates that are guarded by armed military guards twenty four seven.

The ONLY access to the New Orleans insurgency is granted to military, government officials, and MAINSTREAM media.

The armed military guards at the military gates will not take nor answer any questions regarding the New Orleans insurgency. The guards will however instruct one dissident radical pseudo-media personality to turn the car around and get gone post haste. Only officially cleared personnel can access the New Orleans insurgency.

Detention Camp Utah is located about 20 miles from downtown civilization. There is no transportation, public or otherwise, for the New Orleans insurgency. Supposedly, it has been reported by one local media concern that there will be twice-daily bus service available to "cleared" insurgents.

The armed military guards at the aforementioned closely guarded military gates would answer no questions regarding whether the New Orleans insurgency would be able to clear the gates to access the quickie mart, located down a rather steep hill about three miles from the Detention Camp Utah. Nor would the guards answer questions regarding whether they would allow the New Orleans insurgency to re-enter Detention Camp Utah if somehow they were able to gain an exit.

Detention Camp Utah is a windblown and barren military installation atop the foothills of what is known as the Oquirrh (pronounced ochre) Mountains. It is isolated and surely quiet. What a pleasant spot for those that were relocated by the U.S. military and the New Orleans insurgency weren't even told where it was they were being shipped to. Not a one of the refugees/insurgents were told they were being sent to Utah. What a freaking shock that must have been.

That is all I was able to ascertain when I paid Detention Camp Utah a short visit on Labor Day. Due to the escalating hostility of the military guards at the armed military gates into Detention Camp Utah, I cut my visit short and also cut my questioning of the armed military guards short. The nice chap with the shiny Colt 45 and the three stripes on his sleeve was growing moderately curt and gave me one last instruction to get away while I still could.

That's the way it is, Labor Day 2005.

2005-09-21T01:35:00.000-07:00

.....FEMA is refusing to reveal to aid groups the locations of thousands of citizens forced out of their homes by "Hurricane Charley," citing "privacy restrictions."

Original news source:FEMA Rule Blocking Aid to Seniors - www.heraldtribune.com

Some elderly citizens forced out of their homes by Hurricane Charley are missing out on vital help, including meals, transportation and in-home care, because federal officials won't tell government aid groups where they are.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has temporarily relocated thousands of Charlotte County residents -- many of them senior citizens -- whose homes were destroyed or seriously damaged by the Aug. 13 storm. But, citing federal privacy protection rules, the agency has refused to say who has been relocated, or where they've been sent.

Travis and other officials said their complaints to FEMA officials have gone nowhere. But in response to an inquiry about the problem Tuesday, FEMA deputy federal coordinating officer Brad Gair vowed to find a way to ensure hurricane victims' privacy while getting them access to services.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Where have these people gone?? http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg9
Thank you for any light you can shed on these very dark stories esp. considering the Bush CIA's involvement in MK-ULTRA programs and The Finders.

Visit http://www.thehungersite.com to give free food every day.
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Well, all of this is making me nuts, too. I'm so distrustful of BushCo, PNAC et. al. that I'm now beginning to think that some of them actually see this as a windfall. Think of all the rebuilding contracts that will make them even fatter and richer! This will be a huge boon to the housing and construction industries. The oil and gas companies will raise prices, which will be born more by the northeast than anywhere else (damn those blue states) and you can bet that they won't roll back the price increases even when NO is back up and running. Plus they solved the poverty problem in NO by forcing all those poor, black people to dispurse all over the place (I saw a quote from some schmuck who said that God solved the "public housing" problem for them). NO wil be rebuilt as a resort community, a sort of Las Vegas II.

Blogs, Newspapers Report on Evacuee Concentration Camps

2005-09-21T01:30:00.000-07:00

FEMACamps

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html/
I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp

I’m extremely depressed to report that things seem to only be getting sadder concerning the people so devastatingly affected by Katrina last week.

View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/evan/25229/

FEMA is giving proof that the have the "Final Solution" in their concentration camps.

http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2449

Refugees from New Orleans behind barbed wire in UtahPosted on Wednesday, September 07
Utah's Governor Jon Huntsman has taken in some of the New Orleans refugees, at Camp Williams. Replete with barbed wire, armed soldiers with weapons at ready, police and sheriff with weapons at ready, and hell, they must surely feel right at home. In America yet. What bulls**t! I’m not done with this outrage, not by a long shot. I’m actually just getting started.

Denver Post even used this phrase about what is happening to the NOLA Detainees:Evacuees’ stories are moving, but fence isn'tArticle Last Updated: 09/07/2005 03:37:49 AMBy Diane Carman http://www.denverpost.com/carman/ci_3006502

If I didn’t know better, I’d have thought I was peering through the fence at a concentration camp. (more)
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005403.php#

Thursday :: Sep 8, 2005Welcome To George's Holiday CampHere we go again.

The other day, I wrote about Katrina evacuees being taken to Utah with no prior knowledge of their destination, and that they were reportedly being kept behind barbed wire.......

And then there is that report I have noted in recent days of the 1,000 evacuees flown to Roosevelt Roads naval base on Puerto Rico's eastern tip. What of them?

Please send questions to http://www.Congress.org/ and media: Why are Evacuees Being Sent to Puerto Rico Against Their Will? The Katrina Evacuees are being treated like POWs behind fences, not allowed to leave with heavy military guard. Please investigate and help these survivors of Katrina who are being treated like Gitmo detainees. They haven't committed any crime! The following article has a photograph of two very unhappy, oppressed and worn looking women behind orange fence.

More Barbed Wire from Bushco

2005-09-21T01:24:00.000-07:00

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/special_packages/hurricane_katrina/12606118.htm

Coiled razor wire separates people, beach areas
By Meera Pal and Karen Nelson, The Sun Herald, Biloxi, Miss. Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News

Sep. 9--GULFPORT - Double rows of coiled razor wire went up along the railroad tracks in Long Beach and Gulfport to keep people out of the most severely damaged areas of the cities. And it's coming for Pass Christian and parts of Biloxi, according the Col. Joe Spraggins, director of emergency operations in Harrison County.

Spraggins said the wire, also known as concertina, is needed because it is impossible to patrol the 60 miles from one end Harrison County to the other and will help control gaps where people are slipping through to go into the beach areas. It goes up fast, should only be in place a few weeks and will go down fast as well.

When Lynn Bauer drove along Railroad Avenue in Long Beach on Friday morning, she was shocked to see a fence crew based out of Lumberton laying the wire.

"My first thought was that it's meant to keep us out," Bauer said.Bauer and her husband, Al, have been driving to their Mills Avenue home, south of the railroad tracks since Katrina hit, to salvage what they can. The water came up three feet in their home.When Lynn Bauer saw the razor wire, she said she was hurt. It reminded her of a concentration camp.

The crew from Albritton Fence Dispensing Co. began laying the wire at 9 a.m. at the Long Beach-Gulfport border and headed west. They were told to lay it from Biloxi to the Bay area, roughly 30 miles, said Galen Clayton, a Tennessee National guardsman helping the crew."Anyone who tries to climb over this fence must really want something on the other side real bad," said Josh Necaise, who works with the fencing company. He and Caleb Lambert showed the cuts they had received just from laying it.

When told that some people's reaction has been that it smacks of a concentration camp, Spraggins said, "They're not in a concentration camp. Intersections will be open." But, Spraggins, said, there are long stretches where people can walk across the tracks and officials are trying to stop that.
Spraggins said that each city with the wire will have checkpoints of access to the beach areas. Each city will determine who is allowed in and for what reasons.

Biloxi is trying to cordon off their critical areas -- Eagle Point and Point Cadet -- without using the wire. "We don't think that we need to use that means at this time," said Vincent Creel, spokesman for the city. "But I can appreciate the situation in Gulfport where there is a serious health concern."
The announcement about Long Beach came from Mayor Billy Skellie at a mid-morning press conference in Gulfport on Friday, along with a list of checkpoints where residents will be able to get through the wire if they can prove they have a reason to go in.

In Long Beach they will be allowed in, for example, if they have insurance or FEMA representatives to show their property to, officials said. Debris, damaged buildings and gas lines and the fact that there is almost no water pressure south of the tracks makes the area very dangerous, they said.
"We're trying to protect people's property. We don't want to harm them," Skellie said. "The rumor that we're keeping people out so we can bulldoze is not true."

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http://www.legitgov.org/
Over 50 Katrina evacuees have died in TX 14 Sep 2005 Medical examiners says at least 53 Hurricane Katrina evacuees from the New Orleans area have died since coming to Texas.

"It reminded her of a concentration camp" Concertina wire separates people, beach areas 09 Sep 2005 Double rows of coiled razor wire went up along the railroad tracks in Long Beach and Gulfport (MS) to keep people out of the most severely damaged areas of the cities. And it's coming for Pass Christian and parts of Biloxi, according the Col. Joe Spraggins, director of emergency operations in Harrison County... When Lynn Bauer drove along Railroad Avenue in Long Beach on Friday morning, she was shocked to see a fence crew based out of Lumberton laying the wire... When Bauer saw the razor wire, she said she was hurt. It reminded her of a concentration camp.

Conyer's" Blog

Henry Makow - Conspiracy Too Monstrous To Conceive

2005-09-21T00:49:00.000-07:00

www.thehungersite.com(http://www.warriorssociety.org/Newsletters/2001_Winter/Page_4.html ) Conyer's" Blog

http://www.legitgov.org/
Over 50 Katrina evacuees have died in TX 14 Sep 2005 Medical examiners says at least 53 Hurricane Katrina evacuees from the New Orleans area have died since coming to Texas.

"It reminded her of a concentration camp" Concertina wire separates people, beach areas 09 Sep 2005 Double rows of coiled razor wire went up along the railroad tracks in Long Beach and Gulfport (MS) to keep people out of the most severely damaged areas of the cities. And it's coming for Pass Christian and parts of Biloxi, according the Col. Joe Spraggins, director of emergency operations in Harrison County... When Lynn Bauer drove along Railroad Avenue in Long Beach on Friday morning, she was shocked to see a fence crew based out of Lumberton laying the
wire... When Bauer saw the razor wire, she said she was hurt. It reminded her of a
concentration camp.

Can a man hold any public office, let alone the most important, and belong to a "secret society"? If this society were benign, would it have to be secret?"

- Henry Makow - Conspiracy Too Monstrous To Conceive

2005-09-21T00:48:00.000-07:00

Katrina Evacuees Behind Fence, Heavy Armed Guard, no Media,

The Gulf Coast will be a Laboratory for the Bushian Vision

2005-09-19T23:13:00.000-07:00

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/18brooks.html

But in policy terms, the speech pushed the journey toward Bushian conservatism into high gear. The Gulf Coast will be a laboratory for the Bushian vision of energetic but not domineering government.

Bush proposed an Urban Homestead Act, which will draw enterprising people to the area, giving them an opportunity to own property so long as they're willing to work with private agencies to put up their own homes. He proposed individual job training accounts, so much of the rebuilding work can be done by former residents. Children who have left flooded areas will find themselves in a proto-school-choice program, with education dollars strapped to each individual child.

This is an effort to transform the gulf region, which had become a disaster zone of urban liberalism. All around the South, cities are booming, but New Orleans never did. All around the country, crime was dropping, but in New Orleans it was rising. Immigrants were flowing across the land in search of opportunity, but as Joel Kotkin has observed, few were interested in New Orleans.

Now the Bush administration is trying to change all that. That means trying to get around the corruption that made the city such a rotten place to do business. The White House is trying to do this by devising programs in which checks and benefits flow directly to recipients, not through local agencies.

That means challenging the reigning assumptions. Right now the White House is fighting with Louisiana over where to house evacuees. The state wants to put temporary trailer parks on faraway military bases, where there are no jobs and where they will live in "abject dependency," as one senior White House official puts it. The Bush folks want to put temporary housing within a mile of the original neighborhoods so people can become self-sufficient as quickly as possible.
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places will be in shambles by the time the Bush crew leaves office?"

The Storm That Ate the GOP --Who will pity the soulless Republican Party now that Katrina is mauling their regime? By Mark Morford 14 Sep 2005 "Hell, the oil companies are as giddy as schoolgirls at being able to falsely jack up prices to over whopping 70 bucks a barrel, despite a recent (temporary) glut of supply. Halliburton is squealing like Jenna Bush at a kegger at scoring the contract to help rebuild New Orleans' infrastructure thanks to the fact that the former head of FEMA is now a Halliburton lobbyist, and the GOP plan to decimate FEMA and militarize emergency efforts is going -- pardon the pun -- swimmingly."

URLs for Evacuee Concentration Camps

2005-09-19T23:08:00.000-07:00

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html

I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp
I’m extremely depressed to report that things seem to only be getting sadder concerning the people so devastatingly affected by Katrina last week.

View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/evan/25229/

FEMA is giving proof that the have the "Final Solution" in their concentration camps.

http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2449
Refugees from New Orleans behind barbed wire in UtahPosted on Wednesday, September 07
Utah's Governor Jon Huntsman has taken in some of the New Orleans refugees, at Camp Williams. Replete with barbed wire, armed soldiers with weapons at ready, police and sheriff with weapons at ready, and hell, they must surely feel right at home. In America yet. What bulls**t! I’m not done with this outrage, not by a long shot. I’m actually just getting started.

Denver Post even used this phrase about what is happening to the NOLA Detainees:
Evacuees’ stories are moving, but fence isn't
Article Last Updated: 09/07/2005 03:37:49 AMBy Diane Carman http://www.denverpost.com/carman/ci_3006502
If I didn’t know better, I’d have thought I was peering through the fence at a concentration camp. (more)

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Thursday :: Sep 8, 2005Welcome To George's Holiday CampHere we go again.

The other day, I wrote about Katrina evacuees being taken to Utah with no prior knowledge of their destination, and that they were reportedly being kept behind barbed wire.......

And then there is that report I have noted in recent days of the 1,000 evacuees flown to Roosevelt Roads naval base on Puerto Rico's eastern tip. What of them?

Please send questions to http://www.Congress.org/ and media: Why are Evacuees Being Sent to Puerto Rico Against Their Will?

The Katrina Evacuees are being treated like POWs behind fences, not allowed to leave with heavy military guard. Please investigate and help these survivors of Katrina who are being treated like Gitmo detainees. They haven't committed any crime! The following article has a photograph of two very unhappy, oppressed and worn looking women behind orange fence.